Deca for woman?

[ItalianMuscle27]

Just curious if any ladies have used deca in the past, and if so, what doses were used and for how long?? Benefits? and anything else relevant..

Reason I am asking, my girl used some in the past before she met me, but at like 25-50mgs/week. And im not too familiar with woman using this, and if its a good idea or not.. I told her I would look into it, but just wanted a womans opinion.. Her joints have been aching lately, and she said this helped her before.. Good idea or no??

Thanks in advanced..

 

[Sassy69]

There are plenty of women who use deca, primarily for size / competition. Its not what I'd recommend for someone who wants "lean out & tone up" (*snicker*). Before even suggesting it I'd want to know what is the purpose & goal.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Her joints have been aching lately, especially in her knees. She plans on doing the figure at the Arnold next year, and she is starting her training next week. This wouldnt be her first time using, she has used deca years ago before she met me, and has done 2 cycles with var/gh the last couple of years.. I guess my question would be, in very minute doses like 25mg/week, would that be a good dose for her? She is not looking to put on size by any means, and she just wants to use it for 4-6 weeks. Ive read that small doses would be ok for female, but just wanted another female opinion..

She reacts extremely well to var, so im guessing deca would be beneficial for what she is looking for..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Anyone? Jeeeezzz

Thanks to the one member who PMed me! Looks like we will go with 25-50mg/week and see what happens!

 

[the-short-one]

Anyone? Jeeeezzz

Thanks to the one member who PMed me! Looks like we will go with 25-50mg/week and see what happens!

hey. i tried 25 mg EW and it wasn't enough to ease joint pain (for me). I'm using 50mg EW and it's MY magic number. no sides. it didn't ease my joint pain at 25mg 2 x week, tho. I have to take the entire dose at one time.

i don't know how your friend reacts to AAS, her goals, etc - so can't really give you advice. Just my personal experience.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Her joints have been aching lately, especially in her knees. She plans on doing the figure at the Arnold next year, and she is starting her training next week. This wouldnt be her first time using, she has used deca years ago before she met me, and has done 2 cycles with var/gh the last couple of years.. I guess my question would be, in very minute doses like 25mg/week, would that be a good dose for her? She is not looking to put on size by any means, and she just wants to use it for 4-6 weeks. Ive read that small doses would be ok for female, but just wanted another female opinion..

She reacts extremely well to var, so im guessing deca would be beneficial for what she is looking for..

If she is doing figure my opnion is she needs to stay natural unless her current stats are no muscle mass ala a Kate Moss waif. Yeah that is right I said stay natural but this is for sure the direction figure is going in. Take a look around at top competitors right now most have toned down there size and softned up a bit. It is the new flavour of figure.

As for her joints etc plenty of other things she can take that OTC that will help. Also stretching, listening to her body and resting when she needs to will do a lot of good. I learned about this the hard way last winter.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

hey. i tried 25 mg EW and it wasn't enough to ease joint pain (for me). I'm using 50mg EW and it's MY magic number. no sides. it didn't ease my joint pain at 25mg 2 x week, tho. I have to take the entire dose at one time.

i don't know how your friend reacts to AAS, her goals, etc - so can't really give you advice. Just my personal experience.

I appreciate your comments, thank you. She was going to start at 25mg/ew, because last time she did deca at 50mg/week she said it was too much. So I think a good range is 25-50mg/week. She will take the entire dose at one time too. She hates needles..

Her goals as of now, she is training for arnold figure competition.. She just needs something because her joints are aching bad, but not all the time. Just when she trains legs hard.. She reacts extremely well to anavar, and gh.. The guy she is training with and helping her with her posing, recommended some light doses of winstrol/b12 too, but I havent spoke with yet regarding this or the deca use. I just wanted some opinions, and I appreciate your help..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

If she is doing figure my opnion is she needs to stay natural unless her current stats are no muscle mass ala a Kate Moss waif. Yeah that is right I said stay natural but this is for sure the direction figure is going in. Take a look around at top competitors right now most have toned down there size and softned up a bit. It is the new flavour of figure.

As for her joints etc plenty of other things she can take that OTC that will help. Also stretching, listening to her body and resting when she needs to will do a lot of good. I learned about this the hard way last winter.

She does pretty much stay natural all year, just a cycle or two of var and she did some gh last time around too. Its hard to say what they are looking for, because ive seen the girls and some are pretty jacked up and win, than the following year, you think that is the look they want, than those same girls dont place.. I just pulled out a magazine my girl was reading, and the girls do look more toned down now.. Her look is not the problem, its the posing.. But she actually just started posing after every workout, and is not waiting till last minute to start doing it.. I told her she should be practicing everyday, and she agreed.(So did her trainer too)

She stretches all the time, but she still aches.. I havent ever found anything over the counter to help with joints. Im not a fan of that stuff, because most doesnt work..

 

[nsashbl01]

She does pretty much stay natural all year, just a cycle or two of var and she did some gh last time around too. Its hard to say what they are looking for, because ive seen the girls and some are pretty jacked up and win, than the following year, you think that is the look they want, than those same girls dont place.. I just pulled out a magazine my girl was reading, and the girls do look more toned down now.. Her look is not the problem, its the posing.. But she actually just started posing after every workout, and is not waiting till last minute to start doing it.. I told her she should be practicing everyday, and she agreed.(So did her trainer too)

She stretches all the time, but she still aches.. I havent ever found anything over the counter to help with joints. Im not a fan of that stuff, because most doesnt work..

Have her get blood work. Look at Cortisol, when mine is high I hurt more. Check E, when it's low, she'll hurt. My wife can attest to that, (she has low E naturally). Stay away from the Winny, not worth it imo. B12 may give some energy, depends what blood work shows.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

She does pretty much stay natural all year, just a cycle or two of var and she did some gh last time around too. Its hard to say what they are looking for, because ive seen the girls and some are pretty jacked up and win, than the following year, you think that is the look they want, than those same girls dont place.. I just pulled out a magazine my girl was reading, and the girls do look more toned down now.. Her look is not the problem, its the posing.. But she actually just started posing after every workout, and is not waiting till last minute to start doing it.. I told her she should be practicing everyday, and she agreed.(So did her trainer too)

She stretches all the time, but she still aches.. I havent ever found anything over the counter to help with joints. Im not a fan of that stuff, because most doesnt work..

It is your call I was convinced until my last show that everyone had to be juicing. I see now that most are for sure not. Take a look around this trend right now is smaller tighter lean great abs, a little delt cap and some decent legs IMO if you don't have complete shit for genetics that can all be achieved naturally. The girls I seen place tops at my last show were surly natural. Figure is making a statement right now that it is not bodybuilding and girls with that physic will not be rewarded. Better yet check out the Arnold this year and see what gets reward. If you know some NPC judges talk to them. I know of another site where several NPC judges post you could pm them if you don’t take my word for it this look in figure is here to stay.

Has she been to a chiropractor or some that does ART? I had serious issues last winter I started taking labrada elastic joint along with seeing a chiro the speclized in sports related injuries. He never once told me to stop lifting he gave me tons of exercises etc to help me strengthen my weak areas. I really don’t think deca is the cure for her cause once she comes off those issues will still be there.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Have her get blood work. Look at Cortisol, when mine is high I hurt more. Check E, when it's low, she'll hurt. My wife can attest to that, (she has low E naturally). Stay away from the Winny, not worth it imo. B12 may give some energy, depends what blood work shows.

I already mentioned bloodwork too her, but it might be kinda late now.. She already started the var/gh. She has done winstrol before, but very low shots.. 15-20mg 2x week! She just wanted to see how she reacted to it, and she did respond very well in my opinion. Wether she uses it again, not sure..Just a thought! She will use b12, I just have to get some more for her to use..

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Problem with Deca is it is longer lasting - can't bail out if sides start. She would be better off with NPP instead, shorter half life.

BUT, if she likes the Var/GH combo - why not stick with that? If she has her training and diet down - that is enough. Especially if she already hasd a great base and a lot of experience competing.

 

[Sassy69]

Also if the goal is some size building right now, creatine is a nice synergistic complement to var.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

It is your call I was convinced until my last show that everyone had to be juicing. I see now that most are for sure not. Take a look around this trend right now is smaller tighter lean great abs, a little delt cap and some decent legs IMO if you don't have complete shit for genetics that can all be achieved naturally. The girls I seen place tops at my last show were surly natural. Figure is making a statement right now that it is not bodybuilding and girls with that physic will not be rewarded. Better yet check out the Arnold this year and see what gets reward. If you know some NPC judges talk to them. I know of another site where several NPC judges post you could pm them if you don’t take my word for it this look in figure is here to stay.

Has she been to a chiropractor or some that does ART? I had serious issues last winter I started taking labrada elastic joint along with seeing a chiro the speclized in sports related injuries. He never once told me to stop lifting he gave me tons of exercises etc to help me strengthen my weak areas. I really don’t think deca is the cure for her cause once she comes off those issues will still be there.

I agree with you 100%, genetics is a big part.. Its hard to say sometimes whos juicing and whose not.. I think in reality, most have taken a little something, they just dont admit it. Wether it be some clen, 5mg var, or whatever. Everyone is always looking for a little edge, and I dont think there is nothing wrong with it either.

Her first show, she actually was way to ripped and the judges thought she was a bodybuilder. She came in 4th. So we had to tone it down a lot this year.. Trial and error.. This past show my buddy wrote her diet and she used a personal trainer for her legs. It helped big time.. came in 2nd! If I told you what she was eating, youd be like wtf? She actually cheated more than I thought she should, but she pulled it off. Her metabolism is amazing..

She was seeing my chiropractor, but doesnt anymore or hasnt in awhile.. She actually is being trained 2x/week by an NPC judge. He is taking her under his wing.. He is going to help her with posing, and her back. And she uses another guy for her legs. She actually wanted me to ask people online opinions, especially from females, to see what she should do. I appreciate your help and everyone elses..

We will be at the Arnold next year too..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Problem with Deca is it is longer lasting - can't bail out if sides start. She would be better off with NPP instead, shorter half life.

BUT, if she likes the Var/GH combo - why not stick with that? If she has her training and diet down - that is enough. Especially if she already hasd a great base and a lot of experience competing.

I mentioned that to her already, she understands.. nsash, mentioned NPP too. I will look into that further..

Var/Gh combo is excellent for her.. and she will stick with that. She loves var(10mg/ed).. She gets so hard, and strong.. Its her favorite by far.. Diet and training is definetely down pat. We have that under control, and know exactly what to do.. Posing is the missing piece.. Takes practice. Ive tried to show her how to flex her back, but she just cant grasp it yet. That is why she is practicing now, instead of waiting to last minute like last show. She will be ready for sure at the Arnold!

 

[The Shadow]

imo - deca for chicks is overrated unless there are real joint issues....

that said -extended runs of hgh arent any better


think npp/var and even low eq

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Also if the goal is some size building right now, creatine is a nice synergistic complement to var.

Funny you should say that, ive seen my girl using my phosphagen hp.. She usues that and glutamine!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

imo - deca for chicks is overrated unless there are real joint issues....

that said -extended runs of hgh arent any better


think npp/var and even low eq

Its just one of her knees, we are assuming its her joints, but she doenst want to go to doctor. She is stubborn..

Var will be used for sure, Im going to look into npp.. EQ is a no no for her, I gave her some last year just to see how she reacted, and she broke out big time. (15-20mg)

 

[al420]

Problem with Deca is it is longer lasting - can't bail out if sides start. She would be better off with NPP instead, shorter half life.

BUT, if she likes the Var/GH combo - why not stick with that? If she has her training and diet down - that is enough. Especially if she already hasd a great base and a lot of experience competing.

I totally agree. NPP would be a much better choice for a female - hell, for a male!

 

[Sassy69]

Just playing devil's advocate here - she has ONLY knee joint problems and DECA is an ok self-medication route but seeing a doctor isn't??? Uh... might want to recheck your thought processes on that.

I'm going to guess she's run deca in the past (many yrs ago as you said) because that's what was available to her or most common among the guys she lifted with, as opposed to choosing a particular AAS based on goals, sides, etc.? To that end, if var has worked great but maybe she's looking for other options, just because she's done deca in the past when that was probably the defacto AAS available (regardless of appropriateness), doesn't mean its the only thing to consider going forward. There are lots of other options, as mentioned above.

Dunno if I"m stating the obvious, but those were a few of the thoughts that hit me coming from this discussion.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Sassy, I appreciate your thoughts.. Nothing is set in stone yet, I was just seeking some opinions for her. I had her read everyones post, and she is not quite sure what route to take. Im guessing she wont use it.. I just want to research it a little more, and of course seek other options if its safer for her..

 

[Sassy69]

There's a whole lot of stuff available so... definitely please research.

 

[future]

Good advice Sassy. First, determine what is causing the pain. Take the simple approaches first. Rest, Ice, etc. Also think about the issues causing the pain. Poor form, too much of a certain cardio etc. Deca should be started LOW and work your way up but you MUST be patient with the long lasting ester. Giving up and wanting to up ANYTHING is foolish. Less is always better. Be safe.

 

[nikkita]

I've done deca on the past, and in my experience it isn't worth the effort because of the virilization sides. I'm sure she knows what I mean.

It sures gives cool size, but joint pain sometimes comes from too low bf % as well.

My advice is that if she is still doing the cycle is that keep doses low, if she goes high for 4-6 weeks and at the middle of the cycle she feels sore throat and changes in the voice it may be not too long until she start seeing other sides.

If the problem are her joints. Let her include glucosamine or papaya in her diet at morning and at night. It is more natural and she is still on time to take her off her diet more near to the competition. It has helped me.