Deca, do I NEED Test?

[CNovaJason]

I am planning on running my second cycle using Deca 200mg(to start off with) EOD and Test Prop (125mg) EOD......I read a post earlier that said Deca decreases Test.....but if I run this cycle WITH Test will I be ok and pack on some good size with hard training and big eating? Thanks bros!

 

[INNOCENT]

i would suggest using some test..

 

[SOLID2]

I am planning on running my second cycle using Deca 200mg(to start off with) EOD and Test Prop (125mg) EOD......I read a post earlier that said Deca decreases Test.....but if I run this cycle WITH Test will I be ok and pack on some good size with hard training and big eating? Thanks bros!

I am no expert here, but will tell you my first cycle was deca 200 and test 250. started at 205 and gained to a hard mass of 228 in 12 weeks... had to abruptly stop due to hurricane ivan... i was impressed with the gains for me. i can't say (maybe because of no pct) but the sexual side was rough and that is the only bad that i saw.. felt great on the cycle and got alot of great compliments as well as my strength that went out of the roof....

 

[Ulter]

Yes you need test. Yes that's enough. You should do very well with that.

 

[peach0341]

Yes you need to run some sort of test with the deca.

 

[Madcow2]

Am I reading the 200mg of deca "every other day", correctly? That's 600 per week. Deca is a long ester - no need for EOD injections.

Deca does decrease natural test production, so does every steroid (deca tends to be fairly suppressive though). Taking test with it for this purpose means nothing as your natural test is shut down no matter what. People take test with deca because deca is a fairly poor substitute for test in a few areas (sexual function being the most complained about - this doesn't effect everyone though). Deca also works fairly well in a stack with various other compounds test or dbol come to mind.

All that said, there have been tons of people who ran deca only cycles. This was very popular in the 1980s. Few people had issues and most were very pleased with the gains. This is why every layman out there associates the word 'steroids' with 'deca'.

Your total dosage, if the EOD deca is correct, averages around 700 mg weekly of deca (EOD means 3 injections 1 week and 4 the next) run along side about 430mg of test prop (even at 3 per week it's 600+375 = 975mg). I kind of question the need for anyone's second cycle to be in the gram per week range. Basically, if you need this much test to grow well on your second cycle - something is seriously wrong with your diet or training.

 

[CNovaJason]

My bad I meant to post 50mg EOD of Deca for a total of 200mg a week with the 125mg of Prop EOD also.......sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks for the great replies guys! Lata!

 

[nydj66]

My bad I meant to post 50mg EOD of Deca for a total of 200mg a week with the 125mg of Prop EOD also.......sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks for the great replies guys! Lata!

There is no need to inject deca EOD but since you're injecting prop that often, it certainly won't hurt to inject deca that often too.

If you could get your hands on NPP instead of deca, that might be a better match for the test prop.

 

[solidspine]

Test prop is test.
But with deca I would shoot Deca and Test enthanthate, once a week!

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

Test prop is test.
But with deca I would shoot Deca and Test enthanthate, once a week!

No reason to inject deca so often unless every 7 days thats one of the beauties of deca. But if you just enjoy shoving a nail in your body eod?? And I'm a huge fan of test e....prop = a pain in the ass

 

[LVTitan]

No reason to inject deca so often unless every 7 days thats one of the beauties of deca. But if you just enjoy shoving a nail in your body eod?? And I'm a huge fan of test e....prop = a pain in the ass

yup

 

[CNovaJason]

So what is the main consensus? All I can get my hands on is Test Prop and Deca. Will I grow with this?? Let me know exactly how to stack it.......ex. week 1-4 deca then weeks 5-10 test prop etc.......u guys know what I mean, thanks!

 

[Madcow2]

Yeah you'll grow with that. The only issue that some of the other posters don't like about prop is the injection frequency.

Deca is long acting - you'll need to run it the whole time. It's best to run them both right along side each other.

Your original plan was fine - deca at 200mg weekly and test prop somewhere around the 300 range weekly. More than enough drugs to grow. No newb need more than 500mg total. If they do, there is something else wrong as this is several orders of magnitude more than natural test production. All you have to worry about is training, diet, and post cycle test recovery.

 

[CNovaJason]

Cool man that sounds good......Here's a taste of my diet: Meal 1-Either 4 egg whites (1 yolk) scrambled with small bit of pepper and salt, piece of wheat bread with peanut butter(1 or 2) and glass of milk (2%). Meal 2-Either 2 pieces of chicken(tenders only not enough funds for the big breasts of chicken) or a lean burger with a piece of wheat toast soaked in extra virgin olive oil and a glass of milk(got the olive oil tip from a buddy, b/c it adds extra calories quickly) Meal 3-Either chicken and burger or both with baked potatoe with light butter, little pepper and salt, and glass of milk and sometimes a piece of wheat bread again soaked in the olive oil......Meal4 and 5 Usually end up at work and since I can't cook anything I bring chicken in wheat bread usually two sandwiches or today I had some left over gumbo (enough for two bowls) 1 every two hours at work. Meal 6-Home cooked meal, usually beef stew, fajhitas(spelling?) roast rice n gravy stuff like that....Meal 7-Either a couple burgers or some scambled eggs with a light topping of cheese(shredded) and also in between the meals I sometimes throw cereal in the mix to munch on something. I understand this is not the PERFECT DIET ok? Just let me know if it's enough and good enough to eat and gain while on Test Prop.......I'm 6'2", 207lbs and am going into my 8th shot tomorrow of 125mg EOD Test Prop.........Thanks guys I appreciate the comments!

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

So what is the main consensus? All I can get my hands on is Test Prop and Deca. Will I grow with this?? Let me know exactly how to stack it.......ex. week 1-4 deca then weeks 5-10 test prop etc.......u guys know what I mean, thanks!

Any reason for not taking them both in conjunction with each other and why not take them for 10-12wks......are u short on cash or is it a health issue?

I can't say enough about deca and what its done for me...looking back I do believe its put more quality mass on me than anything I've ever done....taking 600mg a week for 12 wks....and no, no deca dick. Test is good but it puts sooo much water on me while the deca very little if at all on me. Not to mention I have a f up left shoulder and the deca keeps my joints butter smooth.

QV Deca300 =

FKH Happy New Year

 

[LVTitan]

Any reason for not taking them both in conjunction with each other and why not take them for 10-12wks......are u short on cash or is it a health issue?

I can't say enough about deca and what its done for me...looking back I do believe its put more quality mass on me than anything I've ever done....taking 600mg a week for 12 wks....and no, no deca dick. Test is good but it puts sooo much water on me while the deca very little if at all on me. Not to mention I have a f up left shoulder and the deca keeps my joints butter smooth.

QV Deca300 =

FKH Happy New Year

couldn't agree more.. qvdeca300 did miracles for my right shoulder, used to be too painful to even go near the gym... now, pain free, and i've been off the deca for month/half, the pain is still gone so far....