Damn, I had premature e-juice-ulation!

[Skepticore]

So, I find a new source, and as a trial I order 3 Org sus vials. They come after a fairly long wait (can't help checking my box every damn day). I haven't cycled in a couple years, and the little bastards just looked too beautiful. That tinkling sound they make when tapping against each other is like the sound of a $1000 whore. My hands were shaking, I was drooling, and I couldn't hold out.

So, I'm still not ready for the cycle. I'll need a couple monbths more before all preps are made, my gear is here, and my workout is adjusted. Still, I gained 3 lbs just from that one day cycle!

My question is, what effect did that have on my receptors? Did I blow an almost virgin like state, or am I good to go?

 

[Stryker1992]

What? Did you use the stuff?

 

[Skepticore]

Yep

Like an alcoholic in a liquor store...

 

[Him1]

You shot all three of them? Not that it matters, either way, it will still shut down your system to some degree. 3 weeks after the shot, I would take some clomid. Or at least take 100 mg's of zinc and some tribulus. The question is though, why the fuck did you do that?

 

[Stryker1992]

So, you took all 3 of them or what? What time frame? I am not sure what you are syaing but I think you will be fine. That was crazy though. When are you starting for "real"?

 

[Stryker1992]

You shot all three of them? Not that it matters, either way, it will still shut down your system to some degree. 3 weeks after the shot, I would take some clomid. Or at least take 100 mg's of zinc and some tribulus. The question is though, why the fuck did you do that?

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Skepticore]

So, you took all 3 of them or what? What time frame? I am not sure what you are syaing but I think you will be fine. That was crazy though. When are you starting for "real"?

Yep. Just got too excited by the idea. Don't ya get anxious to gear up? Actually, it's embarrassing that I acted like a teenager with the stuff when I'm in my thirties.

I'm gonna run a little tribulus JIC. I'll be ready to start my legitimate cycle in the beginning of June, although I may have to wait until July, depending on some things going on in my professional (work, not pro BB-ing ) life.

 

[Mikeygun]

this has gotta be one of the dumbest posts ever. You get 3 amps of sust and shoot them, all whopping 3 amps??? what happen to planning a cycle out? what did you think you were gonna gain from 3 amps? what a complete waste

 

[decadur]

WTF????? What a bunch of dumb replies you got with this post man.
For fuck sakes, while I have to admit it was kind of a waste of a weeks worth of sus, BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! You don't need clomid, and NO, its not gonna shut down your receptors. Just forget about it and start your cycle when you get all your gear.
But have a little willpower next time.......you can do it man, you gotta believe!!

 

[Him1]

WTF????? What a bunch of dumb replies you got with this post man.
For fuck sakes, while I have to admit it was kind of a waste of a weeks worth of sus, BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! You don't need clomid, and NO, its not gonna shut down your receptors. Just forget about it and start your cycle when you get all your gear.
But have a little willpower next time.......you can do it man, you gotta believe!!

Speaking of dumb. Decadur, have you ever seen any studies on how hormones affect the hpta and gonadal axis? Or maybe you were just making stuff up, either way, don't act like a newb and give bad advice.

 

[Diabolical]

WTF????? What a bunch of dumb replies you got with this post man.
For fuck sakes, while I have to admit it was kind of a waste of a weeks worth of sus, BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! You don't need clomid, and NO, its not gonna shut down your receptors. Just forget about it and start your cycle when you get all your gear.
But have a little willpower next time.......you can do it man, you gotta believe!!

Actually I only saw one dumb reply, yours.

 

[Stryker1992]

Actually I only saw one dumb reply, yours.

I am with you bro!

 

[decadur]

Actually, I don't think my reply was all that dumb. I mean, yes it is stupid to start any gear when you don't have it all yet for a planned cycle, and yes it will affect hpta to a certain extent, but I don't think anyone who has any experience will believe that taking 3cc's of sustanon will drastically affect hpta or androgen receptors. Nor do I think anyone will feel that clomid is necessary in this situation.
My post was basically saying that it's better to have not done it, but not to worry about it a whole lot.

 

[Juice Authority]

Speaking of dumb. Decadur, have you ever seen any studies on how hormones affect the hpta and gonadal axis? Or maybe you were just making stuff up, either way, don't act like a newb and give bad advice.

Exactly. Right on the money my friend. For those of you who don't know 3 amps of Sust (750mg's) can definitely shut down your HPTA. That's 300mg's of Deca, which like Fina, shuts you down pretty hard.

As to your question about whether or not you blew out your receptors...LOL! Do you have any idea how many AR receptors you have in body??? I would be more concerned with the fact that you shut down your natural production of Testosterone. This is truly one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Next to that would be the guy who posted about shooting HCG in his nut sack. That one took the cake.

 

[IronLion]

Exactly. Right on the money my friend. For those of you who don't know 3 amps of Sust (750mg's) can definitely shut down your HPTA. That's 300mg's of Deca, which like Fina, shuts you down pretty hard.

what are you talking about 3cc's of sus is 300 mg of deca...that made no sense

anyway Skepticore don't worry I don't know why everyone is chastizing you like they have been nothing but perfect with gear.

as to your situation I can relate although I have never done that... I know that once I have the majority of my gear and I am waiting for the ancilleries or tabs or something I can't stand it, it's like fucking Christmas when I was ten

 

[ceo]

hes talking about the ester "decanoate" not the substance "nandrolone"
but I believe its the nandrolone he is referring to as to shutting one down hard...but there is no nandrolone in sustanon

 

[IronLion]

yeah i see 100 mg of test decanoate per cc of sus...still doesn't make a good comparison because the ester doesn't have a big effect on how hard it shuts you down...oh well it doesn't matter

 

[Juice Authority]

sustanon is much, much, more like a single ester testosterone than you might think. Also, I was referring to the 100mg's of decanoate (a long acting ester), which does shut the body down pretty hard. The comparison to Fina stands. Are some of you saying that injecting 750mg's into your body of a 4-blend testosterone will not affect your HPTA?????

 

[decadur]

Are some of you saying that injecting 750mg's into your body of a 4-blend testosterone will not affect your HPTA?????

YES, that's exactly what we're saying!! Injecting 750mg of testosterone will, OF COURSE, cause some (-) feedback inhibition of LH release, and thus testosterone production, but it will NOT significantly affect it to the point where clomid is necessary to jump start your own natural test production.
And if you find any study's saying otherwise, then they're fuckin' bullshit, because that's just not the case.

 

[Juice Authority]

Whatever Bro. I'm not going to argue with you. And yes, there are studies that conclusively show that the introduction of a synthetic testosterone at even lower dosages than that will shut you down. Should I post them? Why? What's the point? I think everyone should shoot 3 amp's of Sust and then just stop. That makes perfect sense.

 

[decadur]

Whatever Bro. I'm not going to argue with you. And yes, there are studies that conclusively show that the introduction of a synthetic testosterone at even lower dosages than that will shut you down. Should I post them? Why? What's the point? I think everyone should shoot 3 amp's of Sust and then just stop. That makes perfect sense.

I don't think I suggested that its ok to do it, and that everyone should do it. All I said was, in this case, I really don't think the guy should worry about it a whole hell of a lot.

And as far as the studies you have. Why don't you post them, but don't forget to show their HIGH internal & external validity, and whether or not the results are ACTUALLY clinically significant!

 

[drrman]

i agree with decadur, wasn't a good idea, but you didn't shoot yourself in the foot, chalk it up as a lesson learned and go on, next time have all your gear before taking the shit

 

[Juice Authority]

I don't think I suggested that its ok to do it, and that everyone should do it. All I said was, in this case, I really don't think the guy should worry about it a whole hell of a lot.

And as far as the studies you have. Why don't you post them, but don't forget to show their HIGH internal & external validity, and whether or not the results are ACTUALLY clinically significant!

Sure thing. Let me dig them up. I have them archived some place. In fact, it had to do with what was once an experimental male birth control. Men were given low dose testosterone injections once a week. As you probably know, the testicle makes two things -testosterone and sperm. The testosterone injections (I believe it was only 200mg's) a week shut down the brain's signals to the testicle, which stops making sperm and internal testosterone.

Now imagine what 750mg's will do if only 200mg's of external testosterone a week completely shut down these male test subjects natural Testosterone levels. It actually could have been less than 200mg's but I'll be conservative. Trust me, I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my ass.

 

[TooJacked]

Juice Authority, this is not an argument but more of a question. Did they specify after how many weeks of continuous injections the males HPTA was effected. Were they shut down after 1 week, 2 weeks . . . 4weeks? If it took a number of weeks for the suppression to occur, then maybe the ONE injection of 750mg won't have a significant effect on Skepticore's levels.

 

[Juice Authority]

Juice Authority, this is not an argument but more of a question. Did they specify after how many weeks of continuous injections the males HPTA was effected. Were they shut down after 1 week, 2 weeks . . . 4weeks? If it took a number of weeks for the suppression to occur, then maybe the ONE injection of 750mg won't have a significant effect on Skepticore's levels.

750mgs will significantly depress his hpta with that shot....heres a graph where 5 days of ox @ 15mgs a day significantly depressed htpa...what do you think 750 mgs of test would do?

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705/F3

This information was given to me courtsey of ready2explode.

 

[Him1]

750mgs will significantly depress his hpta with that shot....heres a graph where 5 days of ox @ 15mgs a day significantly depressed htpa...what do you think 750 mgs of test would do?

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705/F3

This information was given to me courtsey of ready2explode.

LOL, go get 'em Juice. I also seem to remember a study where 1 shot of Deca( I believe it was a 50 mg shot) was significantly suppressive. I don't know where to find it though, anyone care to look? So, after Juice's post, I stand by my recommendation to take some Clomid( Don't know what Dickadur's problem is, it's cheap as hell and easy to obtain, and better safe than sorry), or some Zinc and Tribulus.

 

[Juice Authority]

LOL, go get 'em Juice. I also seem to remember a study where 1 shot of Deca( I believe it was a 50 mg shot) was significantly suppressive. I don't know where to find it though, anyone care to look? So, after Juice's post, I stand by my recommendation to take some Clomid( Don't know what Dickadur's problem is, it's cheap as hell and easy to obtain, and better safe than sorry), or some Zinc and Tribulus.

The people on this thread who have said that 750mg's of Sust won't significantly depress his hpta are sadly mistaken. It's like people try to argue for sake of arguing even though they're dead wrong. It's pretty amusing. I knew I was right all along about this. I just needed to find the evidence to show it.

 

[bumpo]

I'm with juice on this, but recovery would be faster if you just used it for a few weeks

 

[Juice Authority]

Where's Decadur and DRRman now. I'd love to hear their feedback now.