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Cyclobolan/PPlex?

No. Too many negative sides. You want to avoid SD and PP taken together. Both are advanced compounds that should not be talen lightly Cyclobolan is already a combo of two methyls. Cyclotren or another non methyl would stack best with either PP or cyclobolan.
 
Would these two stack well? From what I hear about P-Plex that'd be some craaazy ass strength.

Cyclobolan IS a stack already. there's plenty to gain from just that.

More is not always "more". If you want more, up the dose.
 
How do you know if I need prohormones yet? I have only been able to gain strength the last year of training, no size at all...then I take some prohormones and I'm bigger then I've ever been. I think it was time for them


...and hopefully soon it'll be some actual AAS.
 
How do you know if I need prohormones yet? I have only been able to gain strength the last year of training, no size at all...then I take some prohormones and I'm bigger then I've ever been. I think it was time for them


...and hopefully soon it'll be some actual AAS.

havoc and cyclotren ARE actual aas.

monsterdorl and pplex are too. they are just legal. that's the only difference.


If you have only been able to gain with them, that means your diet and/or training is out of whack. Growth comes from diet mostly.
 
Or that I've reached my genetic peak?

I have seen your pictures, bro.

No.

Not being rude, but no. not even close.


Genetic peak you absolutely could not possibly grow any bigger without steroids. And, once you stop steroids, you will lose the size you gained because your body is incapable of supporting that mass by itself.



You yourself admitted you don't have a set diet. THAT is why you don't gain weight and mass. You need a plan, and you need to follow that plan.
 
5'10'' 200+ naturally?


I don't know what's in the water where you live, but there's noone around here like that.
 
5'10'' 200+ naturally?


I don't know what's in the water where you live, but there's noone around here like that.

I don't know bro? That is kind of average. I'm 5'10" and I was over 200 before I started PH/DS. How is your diet? If you want to be 200+ you need to eat that way. List your diet and I promise you there will be room for improvments that will help you out greatly.
 
5'10'' 200+ naturally?


I don't know what's in the water where you live, but there's noone around here like that.

5'10" 200 isn't even that big at all. And unless you are 8% BF or less, 200 lbs isn't anything extremely impressive at a height of 5'10". It's a decent solid size, but it is not "huge".


Judging by your pictures, you're not even fully grown. You haven't fully matured. Most guys around 23-27 fill out even more and get thicker.


Eat 4000 calories with 300 grams of protein a day and watch what happens over the next 3 months. You will GROW. Count your calories, get on a diet plan and you will get big.


15 lean lbs on your frame will do wonders for how big you look. The only way you are gonna get there is with a solid diet. It won't come over night, or maybe even in 6 months, but you can get there with hard work and dedication.
 
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You guys are right. I'll admitt I am in desperate need of a diet.


So I'm going to the grocery store after the gym today. Write me a grocery list in here please. :-)
 
You guys are right. I'll admitt I am in desperate need of a diet.


So I'm going to the grocery store after the gym today. Write me a grocery list in here please. :-)


meat(chicken, turkey, steak, fish). complex carbs(whole grain bread, oatmeal, brown rice, sweet potatoes. fruits and vegeteables
 
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