Cycling: strongest steroids first, weakest last?

[HansNZ]

I have often seen advice stating that when cycling, you should start your cycle with the most androgenic steroids first and finish with the weakest steroids (i.e. start with anadrol, then graduate to test/dbol, and end with nanodrolone and primobolan).

Apparently this type of cycle gives continuauous gains.

Obviously by ending with substances such as primobolan, you are more likely to consolidate and keep gains than would be the case if you ended a cycle with anadrol for instance.

My question is this: If you start with the strongest steroids, aren't your receptors stuffed early on so that you are less likely to get results from the weaker compounds?

Also, I would have thought that you would get continuous gains you would start with the weakest compounds and graduate to the strongest, not the other way around.

I have seen the strong -> weak method advised on here and the WAR suggests the same. Could someone who understands the science behind this enlighten me about why it should be done this way.

Thanks.

 

[Zyglamail]

My question is this: If you start with the strongest steroids, aren't your receptors stuffed early on so that you are less likely to get results from the weaker compounds?

Receptors are either bound or not and they die and get recreated all the time. They are not this fixed device that can be free'd etc.

 

[needleboy]

I think it's more of a case of using AS with shorter lasting esters at the end, and most of those tend to be milder. I would not hesitate to end a cycle with suspension, and would certainly not call fina weak as it is more anabolic than test by far. Seems to me like a case of being able to start clomid ASAP post cycle!

 

[HansNZ]

OK, so the idea that your body attenuates to steroids is incorrect? Your body simply attenuates to whatever steroid you are on so that as long as you change to a completely new chemical, you will get fresh gains. Is this reasoning correct?

I am going off after 7 months on steroids. I don't seem to be getting the results I used to. Even anadrol has little effect. I figure my body needs time out. I haven't done anything differently compared to when I was getting good gains - I even count my calories to make sure I eat enough. So why are the steroids not working anymore?

 

[Victory]

Your body has genetic limatations that no matter what you do you can not exceed. On the other hand if you have approached lifting and eating the same way with no gains, and you feel that your limits have not been reached, then I say try something new. I guess I am lucky in the fact that on any day of the week I am surrounded by powerlifters and BB's that have boundless info. I consider myself small compared to most of the guys at the gym but when I work in with powerlifters I get pretty swoll. Try to take a break if you want too, your body will tell you or try new substances. HGH -HGH - HGH did I say HGH.

 

[HansNZ]

Thanks for the info.

I am naturally a very skinny person - hence the reason why I started to use AS. My lean body mass is about 80kgs on a 6'1" frame. I weigh about 88-90kgs now. Even though I am quite muscular compared to regular guys I figure that my body can still carry more than 80kgs lean mass without too much resistance.

My goal is 90kgs of lean body mass. I figure that's about 3-4 cycles away. I was planning to stay on AS until I reached it, but it seems I may have to go back to cycling on and off again.

 

[Gas-er]

You want 10kg of mass? that is 22lbs right? I know you can do it bro! I'm 6'3" and was once 165lbs,(75 kg) jeez I had 13.25" biceps..

I'm just finishing a cycle now that has taken me from 190lbs to 220,(100kg) My biceps are 16" now...I want 18's, but I know I can, with the help of this board and AS.....

I found deca/dbol/fina/test was the best i've done yet, I've gained 30lbs on this one, i've put on some fat, but people never say wow look at your gut, they say, holy shit your shoulders are getting huge...

 

[HansNZ]

Thanks for the inspiration.

Yes I only want 10kgs more of lean mass. Believe me, when God was handing out bad muscle building genetics I was right at the front of the queue.

Another guy I know was the same height and same weight as me 7 months ago. We both started steroids at the same time as me in April (his first use of steroids, but not mine). He is now 105kg with 8% b/f. He has the best response to AS that anyone at my gym has ever seen. He is the opposite to me on the good genetics spectrum.

 

[HansNZ]

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