they way he is useing these 4 high 2 low with clomid hes not realy coming off at all even at 280lbs 400mg is still enough to shut your hpta down so he is never realy recovering at all no wonder there is no yo yo effect post cycle recovery should be downd with as much dedication and willpower as you cycle is down general if i spend 800$ on a cycle im ususaly spend 300$ on post cycle recovery if never lost anythging other then water weight post cycle I can see the yo yo effect happen from going from 1gram of test to nothing with no post cycle recovery, but if someone is doing that then they are just plan stupid and should not be on in the first place.