Cycles

[cotto]

Hi,
Firstly Hello to all and a credit to all involved with the building of this forum. I only registered yesterday.

I was hoping for some advice as I am not fully equipped with some of the knowledge displayed on this forum. I am looking to use some gear to make some good gains but lost when deciding exactly what to take. I have used deca and test before but been out of action from weights for 3 years now due to injury and other issues. Anyway i would like advise on what you guys recommend in terms of gear. My goals are not for competing but just a solid defined look rather than carry allot of mass. So i don't think i need heavy doses of gear. I cycle and play allot of football (soccer) and now looking to build from this.

If you guys can provide me with input on gear and things to take along side gear (vitamins etc) and are oils better than water based?

I hope I am not asking for allot as reading back it does seem thatway. I appreciate any help or advise at all.

Thanks

 

[*The_West*]

hello mate, welcome to EF.
firstly, you want to post up your stats (age, height, weight, bf%) so people can give you more tailored advice. the first thing i can think of, is that if your goal is just to look defined and not be big, using aas is not necessary for this purpose. if your just looking to add a couple of pounds of muscle, and drop some bf so you look ripped this is perfectly do-able with correct diet and training.

 

[cotto]

Thanks for your reply.

Age 28 height 6ft and approx 14st(88kg) in weight. I already have a reasonably toned physique but do want to add another 1.5st(10kg) approx. with good muscle gain and keep the abs. That’s what I meant as I know some are hitting the 18stone plus barrier. I just don’t have a great knowledge on gear available and if it’s genuine or who to get it from.

 

[*The_West*]

Thanks for your reply.

Age 28 height 6ft and approx 14st(88kg) in weight. I already have a reasonably toned physique but do want to add another 1.5st(10kg) approx. with good muscle gain and keep the abs. That’s what I meant as I know some are hitting the 18stone plus barrier. I just don’t have a great knowledge on gear available and if it’s genuine or who to get it from.

careful about saying things like this on here, its an american board, their laws are a bit different from ours. if you get a load of private messages now from 'good bros' trying to 'help you out' with a great source please just forward the messages to a mod.
you sound like you have a pretty good physique. are these 18 stoners your mates, or teammates? because i would have imagined that as football player yeah of course you want to be strong, but not huge, that might hold you back a bit. have you got back into the gym yet?

 

[cotto]

Oops don't mean to offend anyone on here. I meant 18st generally not m8s or anything. I don't play at a pro or semi level. When i stopped weights i was around 15st11 but didn't have any real useful input on if i was taking the right stuff. I have just bought a multi gym for home and still setting up the rest. I haven't started the weights properly; i only do squats at the moment. Im away working in Oman for 2 months soon so when i get back from that i will put some serious time with the weights.

What about you? do u compete?

 

[*The_West*]

nah mate im a fighter, kickboxing and muay thai. im taking a bit of a rest on the advice of my doc though, i sprained my ankle badly and its not healing so fast. im just in the gym at the moment and iv decided that i want to come back in about a year at light heavy (iv been fighting at middleweight).
you didnt offend anyone, i know that wasnt how you meant it, but that sounded a bit like you were phishing for a source, you'd be surprised how many scum bags are just waiting for people to type things like that so they can message them and scam them silly.
i would recommend that at the moment, seeing as you are only just back into training, that you forget about aas for a year or so. concentrate on getting your diet spot on and workout a training schedule focussing around the big 3 (squat, deadlift, bench) and you will see a lot of muscle coming back quickly, muscle memory, its a great thing!
then in a year or so (maybe more, maybe less) if you stop seeing gains and decide you still want to put on more muscle, it might be an idea to consider aas. its a big decision to make mate. hang around here, use this year to research aas and find out everything you can about then, and then later you can make a more informed decision whether you want to begin self medicating with powerful hormones.

 

[cotto]

nah mate im a fighter, kickboxing and muay thai. im taking a bit of a rest on the advice of my doc though, i sprained my ankle badly and its not healing so fast. im just in the gym at the moment and iv decided that i want to come back in about a year at light heavy (iv been fighting at middleweight).
you didnt offend anyone, i know that wasnt how you meant it, but that sounded a bit like you were phishing for a source, you'd be surprised how many scum bags are just waiting for people to type things like that so they can message them and scam them silly.
i would recommend that at the moment, seeing as you are only just back into training, that you forget about aas for a year or so. concentrate on getting your diet spot on and workout a training schedule focussing around the big 3 (squat, deadlift, bench) and you will see a lot of muscle coming back quickly, muscle memory, its a great thing!
then in a year or so (maybe more, maybe less) if you stop seeing gains and decide you still want to put on more muscle, it might be an idea to consider aas. its a big decision to make mate. hang around here, use this year to research aas and find out everything you can about then, and then later you can make a more informed decision whether you want to begin self medicating with powerful hormones.

I take it that u don'y use any gear? boy i think you have ure hands full at the moment. Its a hrad but very satisfying sport and very good for fitness.

Deciding what supplements to get can be mind boggling aswell. I wasn't intending on taking anything right away but like u said researching so i know whats what.
Thanks for your advice.

 

[*The_West*]

I take it that u don'y use any gear? boy i think you have ure hands full at the moment. Its a hrad but very satisfying sport and very good for fitness.

Deciding what supplements to get can be mind boggling aswell. I wasn't intending on taking anything right away but like u said researching so i know whats what.
Thanks for your advice.

not at the moment no, a lot of the fighters i train with use var and test suspension, i used test p/var about 3 years ago, which in retrospect i probably shouldnt have, as i didnt know what i was doing, didnt do a pct and lost pretty much everything i gained, and now i will never have my 'first cycle' again, but yes, i will use again in not so distant future, and i will do it armed with the knowledge of how to do it both safely and effectively.hands full? this is just what i do in my spare time lol, iv recently qualified as a paramedic/trauma nurse! yes, you could say im a busy person.
supplement wise, you want to look into getting yourself a good quality whey protein, just to add some more protein to your diet when it would be difficult to eat-immediately following a workout/ football/work whatever, you cannot go wrong with creatine aswell, some people stand faithfully by monohydrate, but micronized creatine has been proven to be far more effective and have much better absorption rates. you will want a good multi vitamin, and definitely glutamine and bcaa's for post workout.

 

[cotto]

let us know how u get on when u do. var? How important is this PCT and 'first cycle' can't be repeated? Im in similar line of work but in the rescue service.

Nice chatin to u man.

take care

 

[*The_West*]

let us know how u get on when u do. var? How important is this PCT and 'first cycle' can't be repeated? Im in similar line of work but in the rescue service.

Nice chatin to u man.

take care

anavar. a steroid origionally designed for use in women and children but favoured by many males for its lean mass, vascularity and low androgenic properties. basically, the thought behind your first cycle being the most effective is that the receptors that testosterone bind to are 'fresh' in time, as with most chemicals, you will build up a 'tolerance' and can need more to achieve a similar effect.
PCT is of utmost importance if you wish to retain what gains you make on cycle and restore your hpta to regular function. to bring your bodies natural production back up, some (foolish) people dont do pct, but without it it is possible that your body will never naturally produce sufficient levels of testosterone ever again.

 

[cotto]

shit. I only ever took 3 cylces (8weeks) never did the PCT. Haven't had any obvious affects or side affects. Sexually im just as active as with anything else. Guess i got away. Lucky. Can this PCT be done later or is late too late? I have been reading up quite allot and the steps to aas are too much (not to mention the side affects), i think supplements will have to be the subsitute. Have u heard of sustain alpha, Dermacrine and Phyto-Testosterone? These are being mentioned as THE itmes for PCT but are these effective as a supplement with aas? Sorry m8 throwing all these questions at u.

where are u starting as a paramedic? U done all ure first aid. respitaory function, c spine, cuts, bleeding, defib, 30:2 and so on? or have u gone into further detail?

 

[*The_West*]

started and rolling mate. done my traumatic injuries, emergency medical, basic life support, everything. now i need some experience. everytime we go out on a call i get butterflies because i have no idea what to expect and im trying to remember everything about my training that might be relevant to the (often very limited) information we get regarding a call.
the fact that you have been doing relatively short cycles helps recovery, especially in the absence of post cycle therapy.it is normally started 2-3 weeks after your last injection. when people have done a cycle, not done pct and later found that their test levels are in the toilet they can do a couple of high doses of hcg and some nolva/clomid to see if that helps restore hpta function and endogenous test production. the fact that you are still sexually active and have no obvious side effects would suggest you are fine, but blood tests will confirm this.
i have heard of primordial performances products, and they do sound like the bollocks. i quite fancy trying the dermacrine/sustain stack myself. the stack you mention can be used as pct, or as a stand-alone stack to boost your test.you can find many reviews of these products on this site, and the general consensus is that they are very good.

 

[cotto]

What I would suggest in terms of your calls is not to think too much but to react more naturally ( if that makes sense) as allot of it is commonsense the theory side to it doesn’t always marry up with the practical. Also experience will be priceless. You attaned RTC's? Worked with the fire service much?

 

[*The_West*]

What I would suggest in terms of your calls is not to think too much but to react more naturally ( if that makes sense) as allot of it is commonsense the theory side to it doesn’t always marry up with the practical. Also experience will be priceless. You attaned RTC's? Worked with the fire service much?

i know mate, iv done the theory, learnt 'the basics' but as you can imagine the whole career is a learning curve, i just need to be more sure in my ability, but that will come with experience. the theory is theory-but as you said, its not all set in stone and a lot of it comes down your judgement in the situation, which again, comes with experience. iv attended 2 rtc's, but nothing major yet, havnt had to have you guys come and cut anyone out of a car.