Cycle Q n A, what would u pick and why?

[baker849]

Ok, after careful consideration of my goals and helpful info from bro's like Division, I've opted out of my original plans for next months cycle. But I'm still a little shaky on a couple of pros and cons of what I'm considering. I'm looking for gains in strength, lean muscle, and to shed some bf.
10 weeker TrenEnan or Acetate/EQ/Winny?

1. Tren Enanthate or Acetate? How do you dose the Enan and how often and do you stack it with other test like acetate? And finally how long of a duration and where in the cycle would you throw it in?

2.EQ - gotta have it, like it any high doses, like the vascularity, and it helps me with my appetite. I don't have a hard time eating clean, just eating steady. Plus I have an assload of it and whats the point in trying to get Deca instead? I mean, is it THAT much better? I thought they both kicked in around 3-4weeks after first inject. The only thing that has caught my interest is the FastDeca (NPP). How fast is that shit and do you have to dose it like regular DECA? And will the tren suffice for my lack of sex drive? EQ gets me, so I'm sure DECA would.

3. Winny - I dunno the half life of tren enan. but with the EQ and Deca I assume i'd want to run the winny about 3 weeks past my last EQ inject and then start PCT when the Winnys out? I was going to look into an underground labs 75mg/ml, but I dont know how big the diff is between say QV Winny and Zambons? But if it were a big one, I'd probably go with the Zambons just to get it right while I have the chance. Cause I'm sure the QV is better than this UG stuff.

So what do you guys think here? the gear itself should be sufficient, just don't know which to choose exactly, or how much to run and how long. I'm experienced with EQ and winny, love'm both, but want the best choices for my goals. Any help here bro's?

Btw, I'm 26 / 6'0" / 194 and don't really know my bf% maybe around 14-15?
I don't have any real ab def. yet, so its not that low.

 

[baker849]

Scratch that, I'm a lazy idiot. 15 minutes of research found everything I needed. My apologies. So if this for some reason looks wrong, please chime in.
Plus I'm taking 30mg 2x daily of Phentermine to lose fat. Should I continue through the cycle or start back when I start PCT?

EQ@600/wk 1-10
TrenEn@500/wk 1-10
Cyp@600/wk 1-10
Winny50/ed wks 7-12
HCG 1000ius x5@/wks-4,5...x10@/wks-13,14,15
Nolva 20mg eod wks 1-15
Clomid 150mg/ed@/wk13
..........100mg/ed@/wks14,15,16
............50mged@wks17-25

 

[DIVISION]

EQ@600/wk 1-10
TrenEn@500/wk 1-10
Cyp@600/wk 1-10
Winny50/ed wks 7-12

Eh BakerBoy.....

Your PCT looks fine.....good job.

As far as the cycle, I think you could do fine with a simple stack of Test Cyp/ Winny.

Why the need to add in Tren and EQ?

See how you grow on the Cypionate and Winny and then you can always do another cycle with more anabolics added on.......leave yourself some leeway for future cycles.



DIV

 

[2lunatics_ina_rubber_room]

Kudos to Division....

Why so much gear ? Slow your roll.......

The first time I did AAS, I was about 25-26 and had been lifting for 6+ years. At that time I did a Deca/D-bol stack. It was a pyramid that started at 200mg/20mg initially and peaked mid cycle at 400mg/40mg respectively. According to this board that probably would have been a waste of time and money.

However, I gained between 10-15 pounds that first cycle and kept most of it. I did a total of 3-4 like cycles each lasting 8 weeks with standard PCT. I went from being 6'0" 180 with 14% body fat to about 215-220 with 8% bodyfat. My measurements were 50" chest, 32" waist 18 1/2 Bicep. Me and my buddies at the time always looked at AAS as two steps forward and one step back. Meaning that you lose a little post cycle but are still ahead of where you were when you started. After I stopped using AAS I never really shrunk back down. In fact, I recouped the loss in gains after the end my last cycle and built from there.

To make a long story short, I got married had kids and quit working out and got fat. Here we are 13-14 years later and I'm back at it. I started back naturally 2-3 years ago. I found that muscle memory is a wonderful thing. I'm in the middle of my first cycle at age 40. It's a meager cycle of EQ/Winny. The gains are steady and pleasing. I'm not that far away from being where I was when I left off at 27-28.

So, why are so many people on this board throwing out these insane dosages ? I am historically an easy gainer, but still c'mon ....

No offense baker849, but we think you are considering way to much gear and don't fully appreciate the delicate balance of the endocrine system. We'd do waht Division said and drop some of it.

 

[nipples]

why not just take test only, but if you want to stack i would myself stack the test with the winny.

 

[DIVISION]

So, why are so many people on this board throwing out these insane dosages ?

I think the prevailing sense is that that "more is better" ideology still comes in to play when it comes to AAS. Really, it never left and it's something that's hard for many bros to back off from. Most of us are not aspiring pros and will never be, so for us to be using these insane stack cycles is pointless.

If you can't grow from less than 1G of Test EW, then you won't grow at all.....

The risk vs. reward principle must be implemented at all times.





DIV

 

[slat1]

I'm 235 clean right now.... I rarely go over a gram total of AAS. I respond great to it too!

 

[hard life]

I would run eq longer, it didn't start to really show the effects until week 8. I would also pick one test, no need to over do it. Also I used npp for the first time and highly recommend using it for the first 4-6 weeks @ 200mg e3d. PCT looks solid.

 

[baker849]

Thanks for all the input. I actually only threw in the CYP B/C I hear often that you need to stack the TRENENAN with some test cause it can kill your sex drive. And this isn't my first cycle. I havent been on one in about 2 years. But this will make for my 5th one. And yeah, my first one was a 12 weeker of EQ/dbol/winny. I put on 23 pounds and ended up keeping about 18-19 of it.
I just wanted to try the trenEnan. everyones always raving about how much strength and gains they get from it. I'd be happy with just that and the EQ, but I don't want the ole limp noodle ya know?
Damn man, this is getting into too many gear options and such a long duration, which I was hoping to avoid if I could.
Think 8-10lbs of lean growth is too much to ask from a 6weeker of the below? Otherwise I'm just gonna say the hell with it and use the gear I got and run the one on the right.

TrenEnan@250/wk. . . . . . . . .TestCyp@900/wk for 10wks
TestProp@200/wk . . . . . . . . .EQ@900/wk for 12 wks
WinnyNjct@50/ed . . . . . . . . .WinnyZambons@50mgwks8-14
Hcg in wk3 instead and 6,7,. . . . . . . . . . . .5,6,14,15,16
Clomid@200,150,100,50/ed from 6-12. . . . . . . . . .14-20
Nol@20eod wk 1-12. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5-20

 

[Makavelli]

Thanks for all the input. I actually only threw in the CYP B/C I hear often that you need to stack the TRENENAN with some test cause it can kill your sex drive. And this isn't my first cycle. I havent been on one in about 2 years. But this will make for my 5th one. And yeah, my first one was a 12 weeker of EQ/dbol/winny. I put on 23 pounds and ended up keeping about 18-19 of it.
I just wanted to try the trenEnan. everyones always raving about how much strength and gains they get from it. I'd be happy with just that and the EQ, but I don't want the ole limp noodle ya know?
Damn man, this is getting into too many gear options and such a long duration, which I was hoping to avoid if I could.
Think 8-10lbs of lean growth is too much to ask from a 6weeker of the below? Otherwise I'm just gonna say the hell with it and use the gear I got and run the one on the right.

TrenEnan@250/wk. . . . . . . . .TestCyp@900/wk for 10wks
TestProp@200/wk . . . . . . . . .EQ@900/wk for 12 wks
WinnyNjct@50/ed . . . . . . . . .WinnyZambons@50mgwks8-14
Hcg in wk3 instead and 6,7,. . . . . . . . . . . .5,6,14,15,16
Clomid@200,150,100,50/ed from 6-12. . . . . . . . . .14-20
Nol@20eod wk 1-12. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5-20

You need to run the cyp for at least 10 weeks. Ent and Cyp don't even kick in until week 3-4, by that time you're almost done. Keep in mind that tren ent. is just that. An Ent. It takes the same amount of time as test ent to kick in. I would run the tren and test for 10-12 weeks followed by your planned PCT.

 

[baker849]

Thanks Mak.
I will be running the CYP 10 weeks. The one on the left is 6, one on the right was 10+. I'm just sayin the hell with the tren and use what I got, its worked before and if my diet and carido stay up and clean I'l be fine. Thanks for everything fellas.