Cycle Efficacy

[kenw]

Hi,

Thinking of doing my 1st cycle in 20+ years. Wanted feedback on it.

50mg Winstrol/day
test cream (2%)
8 week cycle

Flame away, I know its a weenie cycle, but my goals are different, and more limited, than most on this board. A net 4-5lb gain and small drop in body fat, combined with some strength gains would be considered a success.

I'm a little uncertain of the test cream. Anyone have any experience? Need to stay away from injections due to home life, etc.

As for post cycle, I plan on doing standard protocol, though I have read (on this board, I think) that Winnie does not always require it. Thoughts?

Curiously, my last cycle (in 1985) was done with no post (I don't know if it existed then) and I had no sides, other than some size and strength loss, which was expected. No libido or shrinkage issues. Given the bad stories I have heard on these boards I am surprised that I, and my peers at the time, did not suffer.

Bottom line I am trying to stay conservative, keeping risk and reward fairly low. Thanks for your feedback.

Background:

44 years old
20+ year lifting history. Competitive power lifter (no more).
5'7"
165lbs
10%BF
Diet - Good, mod. fat, no extremes, no fads.
Goals - see above.

 

[Ulter]

You really have to get over the needle thing. You're too old be using those puny test doses to cycle. You should be using at least 300mg/wk with your winny. Get AIFM for estrogen control and your PCT and you'll do very well.

 

[raam]

Yeah, add in some test. Get rid of the winny unless you've already lost all your hair. lol

 

[kenw]

Got it. Add some Test. Any thoughts on the efficacy of the test cream? Obviously will not perform like injectable. BTW, I'm not shy of needles, I'm shy of a kid or spouse walking in during "administration" of the dose...

And, the hair is gone - bad genetics. Is Winnie bad for hair? I have two friends who have used it many times during cutting cycles and they have more hair than I ever did.

 

[Ulter]

The cream is far too low a dose to gain from.

 

[littleb]

The cream is far too low a dose to gain from.

^^ it is, i had a chance to get some from a bro at gym, research it.. i believe you would have to bathe in it to get enough for results...

 

[raam]

I still would suggest you use test as your base and add an anabolic. Possibably do a cruise and blast. Run low dose test (hrt) for a few months then blast with a regular cycle. At your age (44 is yonng in my book) you can do this with your background. Get regular blood tests done too and keep an eye on your BP. Long acting esters for you would be best. They keep your blood level constant and you can get away with not sticking your self 3 times a week. Visit the longevity forum and search for HRT, extended cycles, etc... I personly plan on doing just this when I mature to my mid-fourties.

 

[Behemoth]

Great to see you at least have some idea of what you want to do...very mature post.

50mg a day of winstrol would cause way to much joint discomfort for me.

I know that they have already mentioned test...but the benefits of doing test at your age far outweigh just lean mass gain.

A good friend of mine that competes at the masters level runs low dose test on a regular basis. His reasoning is solid...

 

[littleguy]

The cream is not effective enough to make noticeable gains of skeletal muscle tissue, soe other benefits yes, but not muscles.
The horror stories are probably due to the fact that these men, some just boys still are taking dosages that we used to see only in professional level competitors.
Risk to benefit ratio is always worth considering, also in the 40 YO bracket and cruising strong on my sissy doses at 5'9" 234#, with a full head of hair and a satisfied lover.
Stay safe and sane, but you will need injections to really take off.
Cheers

 

[kenw]

Thanks for your feedback. Hopefully no joint problems from the Winny. One note on the test cream. It was made in a compounding pharmacy, as was the Winny. I can attest to the quality of the gear as I have two personal (and very large) references. The cream is 20% (200mg/gm) concentration and the dose is a bit over a gram/day. What I don't know is how much of the 200mg actually hits the system. Maybe some of you more knowledgable folks might know.

I'll just have to work on being surreptitious with my dosing in the future.

Thanks again for the feedback. It's much appreciated.