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Cycle 1, week 1 - what went wrong?

Tigrones

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It's 3 am. I am laying face down with two 10" kitchen knives stuck in my glutes. At least that's what it feels like. I can't sleep, I can hardly walk to the bathroom. Every step is excruciating.

This is day 5 of my first cycle. I had 1cc of Deca and 1cc of Sust mix on day 1 (past Sat). Felt fine next morning, had a great workout. But by Sunday evening, my left buttock was introduced to that 10" kitchen knife. This is not soreness I am talking here - it hurts like hell. Now, I did hit a nerve (had that electric shock sensation), but pulled back and otherwise did it really slow. No lumps, no redness, cool to touch - but hurts as hell!

Oh well, I guess it's my first shot, so I just pretended the pain is not there. Told my wife and colleagues at work (who question my limping) that I had a tough leg workout, so I am sore.

Day 4 I am finally getting a bit better, still that pain but more tolerable so I am ready for another shot. This time I decided to do only 1cc of sust and alternate 1cc of sust with 1cc of deca weekly, so instead of originally planned 2cc sust and 2cc deca weekly - only 1cc of each. It's my first cycle, so why push it? I want to gain only 10 to 15lbs max anyway (I am 5'11", 188 lbs now, 41 yrs. old with extensive gym experience).

My second shot (of 1cc sust) was a dream. I use 23G 1.5", went in smooth, took my time pushing it. Massaged the area, everything was well. Went to work, but by 5-6 pm I am getting that feeling again in my glute (this time the right one). God no, this is not happening again! By 9 pm I am in agony again. Oh, and did I mention flu-like symptoms every day?

If my every shot is going to be rewarded with this experience than I can't do this. It's not the pain that bothers me (I can deal with that) - it is my lifestyle. My wife, my kid, my job... I simply can't function like this. Hell, I can't even workout - what's the point? Friend tells me to drop sust, stick to Deca and Dbol (which I am taking from day 1 daily 3x10mg).

So fellas, is it sust that is causing this? If so, will I do OK with 1cc deca weekly and 30mg dbol daily for first 4 weeks, than drop dbol and take 30mg winny for 4 weeks. Use liver detox throughout and clomid for post, nolvadex on hand just in case.

Again, my goal is simple, go from 188 to 200 lbs, not more, just to be a bit bigger but harder. But I will not sacrifice my family and career over this. I need to be able to work every day and come to my wife and kid being a husband and dad - not a limping, pain riddled guy.

thanks!
 
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im definetly no expert, but i had that feeling once on my first cycle. you just kinda get used to it i think. but then i put 2.5cc in a new spot and i was almost unable to walk for a week. i would almost say it was too much too soon. i know in the glutes it gonna hurt more cause your always either sitting on them or walking. but let an expert give you an answer. thats just my opinion.
 
I can relate to what your saying. Now, that being said, I have only had issue on cycles with ED or EOD injects. If your running sust/deca your going 2x per week max. You should not be having these issues. Plus - if you hit a nerve in the glute first time out, I'm a little concerned your location is right. Over 15 years and more than 20 cycles and more glute injects than I could count I have NEVER done that. So lets start there:

Make sure you are injecting as far over on your ass cheek as you can (towards your hip at the front). I don't even inject mid-cheek, let alone towards the back. There are a number of nerves & stuff (I'm no doctor) running through that area. Stay within an inch or two max of the side. Also, do it right at the top.

Next, inject very SLOWLY. You should have no problem with a 1.5inch injecting 3ccs in. Just do it slow. Additionally, you can heat the full syringe under hot tap water for a minute or two to warm it up. This will also help. Finally, massage. With glute injects though, going slow is the only precaution I have ever really had to take.

You will get one that is a little sore every couple weeks, but, anything beyond that should be a little rare (with sust & deca). Other compounds (like prop/fina) are more likely to cause issue.

Also - what brand gear are you using?

PM me if you want to discuss further. The darkside still loves you.....:)
 
Sust is a painful injection, simple as that....

What gauge pins are you using? i suggest 25g if u are using 22g

also, the pain is just a part of it, i have so much scar tisssue in my delts and quads that it makes the injections less painful...most of the time no pain whatsoever...

also what gear are u using, what brand....Mex gear is poor quality

Also, try injecting in your delts (shoulders), at least it iwll be able to hide better and u can walk...

the "flu-like" symptoms are what we refer to as Sust/Test flu......they will go away in a few days dont worry.....dont do a deca/dbol cyc, keep the test in there.........hopefully this helps bro
 
if i hear the words bovel or TT he will answer his own question.....or eyepee
 
Now you know why I said I dont like sust. Its the propionate ester in the sust that makes it hurt. This is the main reason why I like cypionate or enanthate. I have too much else going on to deal with having to limp around and sit on the opposite cheek. There's no reason I should have to put up with that shit when I can use other compounds that dont cause that.

I had that exact same experience (severe pain) the one (and only) time I ever used prop. (and I'll never use it again). I think some people must have a better tolerance to this ester, but everyone I know says its painful.

As for dropping the sust. and sticking with deca/dbol...thats what I would do! Unless, of course, you picked up some cypionate on that trip to TJ.

By the way, how did it go down there? I thought you might PM me before you went. PM me now if you want, and we can discuss some specifics about your trip.
 
The brand is:

Norandren 200 by Brovel (deca)
Testonon 250 by Ttokkyo (sust)

So, you're saying this is crap?

CEO, I'll PM you later
 
I think those brands are known for not always being quite that pure. Sust always hurts. I never get used to the shot. Just took my 9th sust shot in the quad Monday and I still can't walk that well.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Most likely the Ttokkyo,they never did seem to get the BA content right on their tests.Always painful as hell.

I never had a problem with any pain from their cypionate or enanthate! :D
 
ceo said:


I never had a problem with any pain from their cypionate or enanthate! :D

LOL,consider yourself one of the fortunate.If I had a dime for every e-mail I got from folks claiming they wished they could just cut their ass cheek off to end their suffering,Id be a rich man.
 
Lets not talk about enanthate. Thats just not worth it anymore. I couldn't function properly for 2-3 days after every glute sock . I mean I couldn't even put on my socks w/o laying on my back. I would have to sit on the other glute will I drove, watched t.v. Now I'm doing some duratest and its alot more tloerable its a little sore but no where near the pain that enanthate caused.
 
Johnny Cut said:
if i hear the words bovel or TT he will answer his own question.....or eyepee


wow I hit the nail on the head, hes using BOTH:D
 
Yeah, its the TT testonon, I did that and wanted to put my buttocks in a wood chipper to get rid of the pain.

I would massage the area deeply a couple times a day, seem to help disperse, move the AS around a bit.
 
you can add some oil to your AAS, go to one of trusted bros websites and buy the oil used with the finakit, then put 1cc of oil in with your shot, shake it, might help dilute some of the BA,...and save your ass
 
Thanks everyone. It didn't ease the pain, but I feel I am not in this alone.
I am dropping sust and will remain on deca/dbol combo only.
It will be interesting to see what gains will I make on that low dosage.
 
I took a a shot of Sus in the glute and like everyone else, hated it. Thought I must have done something wrong. Like this guy thinks. Bro, you didn't do anything wrong, that shit hurts like hell!!! I couldn't walk or sit for days. Totally sucked. But then I realized you could shoot in your shoulders!!!!!!! I don't know why anyone would shoot in their ass and deal with that pain, instead of hitting their delts instead. I've hit my delts enough times now with deca and sus, and it is so much easier. The first shot hurts a few days but who cares, you don't sit on your shoulder!!! And after my 5th shot I didn't even get sore. GO WITH YOUR SHOULDERS 25g 1" and stop worrying about sitting down.
 
Sometimes I get lucy when shooting the delts, others they still hurt like hell and it screws up my entire workout. I personally like the quad shot. Leg day at the gym sucks, but you get used to it.
 
Its the tt bro. that shit hurts. I hit this shit up like a year ago. Done 4 or 5 sustanon cycles. Almost needed a wheelchair. You need to heat this shit up before injectin just run seom hot water over the syringe body, not the tip. This should ease pain. And like said before go real slow. I would suggest injecting in your thigh cause its easier to hold since your shakey. If your movin around alot the pain will be that much more. Hope this helps.
 
Ok looked over spotinjections.com.

Sitting here feeling my delt and well I just dont see that much muscle here!!! Is he using a 1" or 1.5" my needles ate 25g 1.5" So should I leave a bit more needle out?

thanks
Eagle
 
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