Crap Gear!

[Grainger]

I'm pretty pissed off....I got a bunch of junk gear. I have been taking 400 Deca and 500 Test each week and I have hardly made any gains. Maybe it has a little something in it but it can't be real!

The Test I have is ICN and the Deca is Organan. Anyone else use ICN?

I started with dbol and made some gains from that. I stopped after 2 weeks because it was too much water. Then I added winny mid cycle. that is ok but still I am not gaining much at all. Maybe 8 lbs and I am on week 7. I also front loaded with 600 deca and 750 test for 2 weeks.

SUCKS!

 

[flex123]

do you eat and workout more than 2 times a week? I'm serious! so people do that ya know, dumbies. I would think its your diet and workout routine, Unless your a sucker and you got scammed hardcore!

 

[Willyumyum]

whats your diet like?

YUM

 

[muscleup]

diet is 90% of all gains......gear or not.

 

[BigGuns2]

How many cycles have you done? With each cycle your next cycle needs to be stronger to get good results.

 

[NORMA-MAN]

The Test I have is ICN and the Deca is Organan. Anyone else use ICN?

check your diet and your training bro....
ICN and Organon are tops(if real of course)!

 

[The One Crumcake]

do you eat and workout more than 2 times a week? I'm serious! so people do that ya know, dumbies. I would think its your diet and workout routine, Unless your a sucker and you got scammed hardcore!

It doesn't take a sucker to get scammed. Fucking mexican pharmacies sell fake shit man...they don't even know it.

 

[Rico]

Yeah, I've run into fake gear once before.....dbol naposim shipped out of the foil packs. From then on I have been careful and always insist on the gear to be sent with the original packaging. Makes it a little less easy to get scammed. Regardless of your diet you should notice SOMETHING from a moderate to strong cycle! Increase in strength, water weight, etc.... No telling for sure, but your gear is probably bunk. Lots of fake shit out there.

 

[NORMA-MAN]

It doesn't take a sucker to get scammed. Fucking mexican pharmacies sell fake shit man...they don't even know it.

u are right, but i doubt this is the case now....i don't think he bought the ICN galenikas from mex pharmacies....

 

[Grainger]

Your right, I didn't get mine from Mexico, I think that we get it from the same place!

Guys, I here you on the diet stuff. I am not a rookie and I have several cycles under my belt. I eat so much during the day that my weight from AM to PM is a difference of 5-8 lbs! I eat a minimum of 1 lb of beef or chicken and 3 shakes so that is 250 grams of protien each day. (I'm 5'6 185lbs) I also keep my calories pretty high with carbs etc.

Just wondered if anyone used ICN with good results?

 

[el cubano]

I don't mean to sound like an ass, but you say you are no rookie, but when I read you last post I'd have to disagree.

Also, after reading your original post I doubt that I am the only one confused here. Are you saying that you started your cycle with dbol, deca and test and are currently taking 400mg of deca, 500mg of test and winny?

First, after you stopped taking the dbol you probably would see a little bit of a weight reduction from the loss of water. Also if your deca is organan and not organon I'd say it's fake. I've never used that type of test before so I have no insight on that.

There are many more factors to gaining muscle besides diet and gear. There's also sleep and stress levels added in. Any inbalance on any or all 4 of those things could cause little to no to negative muscle gain. If you have alot of stress in your life right now, no amount of gear, exercise, food, sleep or diet is going to help you gain muscle. Stress is the most catabolic state known to man.

 

[Grainger]

el cubano

el cubano,

I have seen you around a lot since I have been here so I am not going to jump all over your comments.... I am sure that your a smart guy and know what your talking about. Besides, I probably miscommunicated because I didn't feel like typing so much. Sorry.....

I spelled "organan" wrong....typo, no need to hang me for that my cycle looked like this...

Week 1 - 5 Dbol 50mg ED
week 1-10 Deca 400 (front load 600 mg weeks 1+2)
week 1 -10 Test 500 (front load 750 mg weeks 1+2)
Week 6-11 Winny (zambon) 50 mg ED
Clomid, HCG, Nolv

For the first 2 weeks I did 600 Deca and 750 Test (front loaded.) I also was planning on taking Dbol for the first 4-5 weeks but it was too much for me (I gained 10 lbs in the first week and could not sleep to save my life) so I stopped taking it.

At week 6 I started taking the winny and was planning on running that to the end of my cycle. I would say that is a pretty rock solid plan. Front loading, Deca, Dbol, Test and then drop the dbol and use winny about the back.

I also have HCG, Nolv., Clomid, and proviron for post cycle. I did my homework.

I understand about sleep, stress, diet and training. Sorry, I didn't feel like writing a book for my post. Off my last cycle 3 months before I did make some great gains with less gear and it was lower grade gear (vet Deca and small amount of test....no dbol that time.)

I have had more stress work work and realtionship but I didn't think that it was that bad.....maybe you are right. I just couldn't help but to feel like i got scammed which is why I made the post. I wanted to see if anyone else had problems with ICN. I am not a rookie....I know a lot about nutrition. (not that means much at all but I do have a degree in Biochemistry so I am not some stupid platehead type guy)

later