Could discovery of a Western Union transaction to a seller constitute probable cause?

[djsf]

Here is a question... Let's say someone purchases AAS, and pays using Western Union. The seller receives his money at Western Union on his end, and steroids are delivered without notice. Later, the dealer gets busted, and the investigators end up with access to his Western Union transactions. And they discover a transaction from a buyer, which leads directly to his name and address (via driver's license information).

Could discovery of this transaction information alone constitute probable cause for the investigators to raid and search the buyer's home? Or do they need to actually intercept a package.

 

[buffer1]

always use a John Doe

 

[djsf]

Western Union checks ID when transferring the money, so you'd have to have a fake id. Let's just say the person does not have one, so the question still stands. In that situation can the person's home legally be searched/raided?

 

[buffer1]

Western Union checks ID when transferring the money, so you'd have to have a fake id. Let's just say the person does not have one, so the question still stands. In that situation can the person's home legally be searched/raided?

not sure about the states but here in canuck land if the man came to my door I,de tell him to beat it,cause based on just a transaction slip from western union they can't get a warrant to search up here

 

[djsf]

not sure about the states but here in canuck land if the man came to my door I,de tell him to beat it,cause based on just a transaction slip from western union they can't get a warrant to search up here

Right, that's how you handle a knock-and-talk. But my question is can they come to someone's house with a *search warrant*, something you cannot say no to, knowing nothing more than that a transaction that was made to a supplier with no evidence of one's having received AAS.

 

[DieselGunz]

I would imagine yes but not totally sure u have to remember unless you are a bit timer i doubt they would go through all that just to raid your house for a small amount of roids, just my opinion tho

 

[taoiron]

I never have to show ID… As long as you send less than a grand you do not have to.

When I need to send more than that I split it up and use more than one WU location..

 

[macabee]

What is probable cause?- Sufficient underlying facts and circumstance such that a reasonable person would conclude that seizable evidence would be found on the premesis or person to be searched.
- Less then “beyond a reasonable doubt” & “preponderance of the evidence” BUT
- More then a suspicion or a hunch.
- There is no mathematical formula and there is a great degree of unpredictability.
- An objective standard, not a subjective belief of an officer.
* Are there facts and circumstances to give rise to a reasonable probability that search, seizure, or arrest is justified?
- evidence will be found.
*Cts look at PC on a case-by-case basis, there is no rigid rule.


Technical Requirements of a Warrant:
a. Affidavit
b. Sufficient P.C.
c. Places to be searched and persons or things to be seized are properly described.
d. Neutral/ detached magistrate.

 

[djsf]

So then, the key question would be: Would a reasonable person consider it "more than a suspision or a hunch" that a person who is known to have transferred money to a supplier is likely to have AAS on his/her premises?

 

[bittersuit_98]

So then, the key question would be: Would a reasonable person consider it "more than a suspision or a hunch" that a person who is known to have transferred money to a supplier is likely to have AAS on his/her premises?

My answer is NO. they should not obtain a warrant for that simple reason. If in fact the authorities know that the person you mailed the money to is a known drug dealer, that simple fact doesn't constitute probable 'cause, since there is no other evidence supporting that such money was precisely sent over to complete a transaction inloving AAS.


But, If in top of that the drug dealer sings...and says "oh yes, I received some $$$ from John and I mailed back to him AAS at such and such address" well my friend you just hit the jackpot. Both circumstances: (1) The fact that you sent the money through WU to this known drug dealer already in custody and (2) The fact that the drug dealer claims that he received your money and sent u AAS in exchange (regardeless that those claims are true or false); constitute the probable cause needed to obtain a search warrant under the assumption that AAS are likely to be found at the address where the stuff had been sent, or at whatever new address you are currently living at.

Please, undersand that this is just my opinion and I might be wrong. Play safe bro!