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Concern over Milk

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I have always drank a lot of skim milk believing it was good for me but my brother sent me below's info. It says you should only drink whole milk which I think has too much saturated fat and I have to assume whole milk cost a heck of a lot more. Any opinions ?

Homogenized milk and heart disease

Heart disease is now well established as the leading cause of death in American males. Yet, less than fifty years ago it was a rare disease that didn't rate among the six leading causes of death in this county. Numerous causes have been suggested by the medical profession, including cigarettes, stress, and a sedentary existence, and now cholesterol and saturated fats.
The information presented here is the product of over thirty years of investigative work by Dr. Kurt A.Oster, M.D. , motivated by two of his own heart attacks. Dr. Oster is the Chief of Cardiology, Emeritus at Bridgeport Connecticut's City Park Hospital. His findings are supported by Dr. R. Lincoln and Dr. Donald Ross, among many others.
CHOLESTEROL IS NOT THE PROBLEM
Cholesterol is manufactured by the body. It is so vital that all tissues fabricate it and all cells contain it. The fragmented logic, which gave birth to the hypothesis that cholesterol may be the causative agent of heart disease, is beginning to fall apart under the weight of recent evidence, including that of the National Research Council. In short, because cholesterol is so important physiologically, it is a rather foolhardy assumption that the human system has become dependent on the biochemical which can trigger its self-destruction. There are many people in many countries in the world who consume more cholesterol consumption than we do, but suffer far less heart disease. Fat and cholesterol consumption has not changed significantly in this country in the last 150 years and yet heart disease skyrocketed fifty years ago.
THE REAL CULPRIT
Cow's milk is normally nutritious. However, when it is tampered with by way of homogenization, it becomes a type of slow poison for the circulatory system. Homogenization was introduced into this country in 1932. It is a process that breaks down the fat into very small globules to keep the fat from separating. The primary purpose is to extend the shelf life of the product.
Milk fat contains a substance called Xanthine Oxidase (XO). This XO is usually not a problem in our system, but homogenization causes some of this XO to pass through the wall of the intestine into the circulatory system. There it creates havoc by attacking specific targets in the artery walls as well as heart tissue, causing lesions. The body responds to this attack by attempting to heal the damaged areas. Fatty tissue and cholesterol are laid over these "body band aids" that build up over the damaged areas and eventually cause obstructions.
If this hypothesis is correct then the heart disease rate should be highest in the countries with the largest consumption of homogenized milk containing this active XO ingredient. Statistics from around the world confirm that this is exactly the case. Finland is the only country in the world that consumes more homogenized milk than the United States. It is interesting to note that exercise has little effect on the problem because the Finns are very active people.
A heart attack is the product of years of arterial damage, not the result of some sudden, overnight occurrence. Considerable arterial damage occurs before the age of fifteen when the greatest volumes of milk are consumed. Scarred arteries have been found in infants after autopsy. Studies have revealed that one half of the American children have lesions by the age of ten. The evidence also suggests that it is unwise for pregnant women to drink homogenized milk because of the potential damage to the unborn fetus.
Homogenized milk is a denatured product; is not natural. Egg cholesterol, fats do not trigger heart disease. Heart attack was rare before they began to homogenize milk in 1932. Now, even young people are dying from it.
Studies of soldiers killed in Korea showed Americans had heart disease at age 22, Japanese and Koreans did not. The difference? Only the Americans drank homogenized milk.
The enzyme XO smuggled into the bloodstream by homogenized milk causes HALF OF ALL HEART ATTACKS! 30% of the heart muscle and artery walls are composed of plasmalogen. This is usually not in the liver or small intestine for good reason. XO serves a useful purpose in the liver and the small intestine, but destroys plasmalogen if it is present;they cannot co-exist. Plasmalogen is missing from heart muscle of the heart attack victim, but XO from cow milk will be found at the site.
XO in regular milk is digested, but in homogenized milk is transported intact directly into the blood stream where it attacks arteries. When XO attacks the artery, an area is literally eaten away. The body, in it's wisdom tries to heal this area with 15 different substances including cholesterol. As this buildup continues the risk of heart attack is increased.
Taken from the book, The X.O.Factor by
Kurt A, Oster, M.D.
Donald J. Ross, PH.D
 
Milk is shitty no matter what the form, pure lactose for carbs (Sugar)

Yeah, drink whole milk for a few months on end then report back to us what you look like.


If I want protein, I'll grab a steak.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
 
So, SC, you don't recommend milk in any diet, do you? Can you pitch some other ideas at me where to get 800 calories? After all, I'm currently downing half a gallon daily.
 
~SC~ said:
Milk is shitty no matter what the form, pure lactose for carbs (Sugar)

Yeah, drink whole milk for a few months on end then report back to us what you look like.


If I want protein, I'll grab a steak.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com

How did I guess?????????? Sc would be the first to reply..........milk is EXCELLENT, if you can digest....stay the hell away from whole, but it's a great protein source......I drink 2-3 cups daily in my shakes and can still get down to 5% bf.........to each his own.....

To you guys on a very tight budget............use milk and tuna as your staple.
 
Jkurz, it's great you have your opinion and I have mine, and other's have theirs. In my experience those wishing to cut, remain lean, achieve the best conditioning they can, etc., have to take dairy OUT. Great that you can pull it off, more power to you. Remember we also have our own opinions on what looks good, what 5% is comprised of, etc. For those who don't care about definition, cutting, etc., then you can eat/drink whatever you wish. I'll still always choose a better source of protein because I want the best for my body. Those on budgets can utilize tuna and other cost-effective foods. I feel as if you're bitter because I didn't think your 2 workouts per day was a good idea for your goals?? (the p.m. thing..........btw, I responded to your latest one, but don't read it as what I say you seem to see having no merit anyhow) You come across as pretty pushy in those pm's too, don't forget, I am pretty busy this time of the year! :)

TT, to attain those 800 kcals, nothing better than healthy EFA's which are also good for natural test/hormone levels.

~SC~
 
SC - no bro.....you misread me....wasnt a flame...actually said it in jest......I agree with your thoughts and suggestions, its just sometimes it's easier to get an additional 20+g of protein from liquid (i.e. milk, dairy...) than foods.........but, to each his own is correct.
 
Ok, an extremely absurdist question:
why do people kling to milk so much? taste=sucks, macronutrient breakdown=sucks (those carbs (lacotse) are stored in liver predominantly, although there's some glucose, and that's assuming we're talking about skim milk, otherwise it sucks^8979856), microelements in milk have poor bioavailability (calcium is poorly absorbed from milk evidence suggests, yes yes!!). so, why?
 
Yeah juve, at one time I believed milk was great too, this was about 8 years ago though, lol. For some it's what they love, for others it's not.

It's damn good w/cereal on a cheat day though, that gets my vote! :D

~SC~
 
Our milk here (Austrian Alps) is good stuff. :kiss:

I drink it in moderation, about half a liter per day in my morning müsli.
 
I'm usually a big milk fan, although I'mcutting down for other reasons. However, this article says very little. Americans follow and american diet, while asians follow an asian diet, there is a lot more difference than just milk. Plus, I don't believe smoking was common in asia at the time either. Obviously, we are a lot fatter than we were before homogenization. And as the author mentioned, those who are active and drink milk, don't have a problem, which suggests it's lack of activity and bodyweight creating heart disease, not milk. I am going to look into this though! Interesting article.
 
what do you guys think of soy milk as a substitute?

*note: dont tell me the phytoestrogens... I already have my mind made up about that (especially since a 12oz=10g protein)
 
Thanks Protein Fiend. I had never thought of soy-milk. I'm going to pick up some and if I like it, I'll invest a $100 on a soy-milk maker. If what I read is true, you should be able to make a gallon for 20 cents. I read you should soak the soy beans to get a better yield and make the milk healthier. Quote from soymilkmaker.com says What is more important, according to Dr. John Robbins, an authority on Soy, soaking is even necessary because soaking can significantly reduce phytate content to make soymilk even healthier.
 
do everyone's concerns about milk also apply to cottage cheese? currently, i'm taking in about 2 cups of cottage cheese per day, is that bad? isee that it lists 3g of sugar per serving, is that referring to the lactose? for those looking to cut, is the lactose the main problem with milk? thanks for any info.
 
ChewYxRage said:
A liter PWO? why would you want to do that?

52 carbs (all sugar), 34 grams of protien, 3 grams of fat, and a crapload of nutrients. Plus I am cutting, and appetite is a problem. And milk bloats me and makes me feel less hungry.

And if your gonna say, I should use a faster protien like whey, don't say it lol.
I don't drink shakes (haven't in like 2-3months). Whole food is way better.

And, I eat protien about 30minutes prior to training, so there is a constant stream of amino acids, and i'm not too concerned about "fast protien''.
 
I'm not so sure about the XO concern myself. Supposedly, however, they give cows a lot of estrogens to continue milk production and they have an effect on humans who drink the milk. Has anyone else heard that??! I read an abstract about that, but desepite attending one of the world's largest universities, I can't get ahold of the full article! Not online or on paper!
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Why'd you drop the whey protein? Did you find you put on weight with protein shakes?

Shakes are fine while bulking, but I feel that while cutting they get turned strait to carbs.

Also, a nice chicken breast or a couple cans of tuna keeps me way fuller than 2-3 scoops of whey.
 
psychedout said:
Shakes are fine while bulking, but I feel that while cutting they get turned strait to carbs.

Also, a nice chicken breast or a couple cans of tuna keeps me way fuller than 2-3 scoops of whey.



lol...where do you arrive at this????? lol....Straight to carbs huh>>>>??????? I drink 2x as many shakes when I cut.................with H20 though...........
 
JKurz1 said:
lol...where do you arrive at this????? lol....Straight to carbs huh>>>>??????? I drink 2x as many shakes when I cut.................with H20 though...........

I'm not saying that the body will use shakes as carbs, but it is my understanding that it is easier for the body to convert liquid protien to glycogen.

Either way I'll stick with whole food to keep me fuller.
 
tis why i never leave home without my rala...............or add some fiber and fats and you are clear and free...........
 
>but it is my understanding that it is easier for the body to convert liquid protien to glycogen.

It's all liquid when it leaves your stomach.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Faller's right there. Once it leaves your stomach, and the proteins are digested, whatever form it went into you doesn't matter.

So are you an advocate of milk?

Buzz me and we'll talk HST.........
 
its not that it is a liquid... its that it is (hydrolyzed) whey protein... this stuff is very quickly absorbed... and will cause insulin to be released....
 
not as big of a deal as everyone is making it............just drink it with other foods........insulin release is minimal anyways............OR, dont drink it at all......whatever works. More for moi.
 
Before we bash milk so badly lets think about what it really is. Milk is the sole source of nutrtion for many developing mammals. The combination of nutrients in milk has been tuned over millions of years to promote bone and muscle development. Now I'm not saying it's the end all of foods, but it exists for a reason. Sure...drink enough whole milk and you'll get fat. I'm sure there are a hundred situations where we can say milk is bad...but I'm gonna keep drinking it anyway...evolution can't be wrong.

juve said:
Ok, an extremely absurdist question:
why do people kling to milk so much? taste=sucks, macronutrient breakdown=sucks (those carbs (lacotse) are stored in liver predominantly, although there's some glucose, and that's assuming we're talking about skim milk, otherwise it sucks^8979856), microelements in milk have poor bioavailability (calcium is poorly absorbed from milk evidence suggests, yes yes!!). so, why?
 
JoBu said:
Before we bash milk so badly lets think about what it really is. Milk is the sole source of nutrtion for many developing mammals. The combination of nutrients in milk has been tuned over millions of years to promote bone and muscle development. Now I'm not saying it's the end all of foods, but it exists for a reason. Sure...drink enough whole milk and you'll get fat. I'm sure there are a hundred situations where we can say milk is bad...but I'm gonna keep drinking it anyway...evolution can't be wrong.

ok but how many mammals drink the milk of another species?

(answer: 1)
 
Isn't it only bad because of homogenization, and not because it's the milk of another species? Big deal, drink another species milk. You eat other fuckin' species.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Isn't it only bad because of homogenization, and not because it's the milk of another species? Big deal, drink another species milk. You eat other fuckin' species.

now now.... no need to get vulgar... I was merely responding to his assumption that milk is good for you BECAUSE other species drink it... but the technicality is that they only drink their own species milk... human milk is many times better for you than cow milk
 
what about the calcium benefit of milk? I used to drink skim myself, but for cutting I don't know if cheese (cottage or whatever) provide enough calcium. I do have calcium supplements though.
 
Calcium is a big issue with milk. Lots of it and highly bioavailable. Cottage cheese tends to me a little lower if I remember correctly (can always look on the package), regular cheese is usually very high. If you feel you aren't getting enough, there is some calcium in green veggies and there are a lot of fortified products like orange juice and cereal.
 
This article may be junk, but I can't find the whole thing! Anyone with resources help me out?

PubMed Identifier Number 11601881
Author
Ganmaa, D; Wang, P Y; Qin, L Q; Hoshi, K; Sato, A
Institution Department of Environmental Health, Medical University of Yamanashi, Tamaho, Yamanashi 409-3898, Japan.
Title
Is milk responsible for male reproductive disorders?
Appears In
Medical hypotheses. vol. 57, no. 4 (2001 Oct): 510-4.
Journal Info Abbreviation: Med Hypotheses. Journal Subset: IM.. Country of Publication: Scotland.
Abstract
The role of environmental compounds with estrogenic activity in the development of male reproductive disorders has been a source of great concern. Among the routes of human exposure to estrogens, we are particularly concerned about cows' milk, which contains considerable amounts of estrogens. The major sources of animal-derived estrogens in the human diet are milk and dairy products, which account for 60-70% of the estrogens consumed. Humans consume milk obtained from heifers in the latter half of pregnancy, when the estrogen levels in cows are markedly elevated. The milk that we now consume may be quite unlike that consumed 100 years ago. Modern genetically-improved dairy cows, such as the Holstein, are usually fed a combination of grass and concentrates (grain/protein mixes and various by-products), allowing them to lactate during the latter half of pregnancy, even at 220 days of gestation. We hypothesize that milk is responsible, at least in part, for some male reproductive disorders.
 
Wow, this is too much to address. The milk thing varies. If you are not latose intolerant (there are trends based on ethnicity) it isn't a good idea at all. Dairy products have been shown in studies to add in fat loss, however the effect is far more pronounced in woman. If you want additional calories in your diet, I agree with SwoleCat on this one. Steak or EFA's are always an excellent choice. Faller pointed out adding green veggies for additional calcium. Actually there are many deficinces that can be corrected by adding green veggies. When in doubt, add more romaine lettace or broccoli to your diet. I recomend at least 1 ibs of greens every day.
 
tt, if they are not, dairy products are fine. People always make a reference to sugar, but really, no one even considers sugar vs. complex carbs to be that important of an issue any more. The GI on lactose is much lower than say whole wheat or brown rice. There is a fair amount of evidence that suggests that dairy products can aid in fat loss.
 
Sorry to bump an old thread.. but I found this article and there's a part I don't understand.. the whole article is about bodybuilders and milk.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catmilk.htm


Here's the part I don't understand if you don't want to read the article. Anyone have comments?

"One warning though, avoid UHT milk. The high temperature it undergoes destroys much of the nutrients and makes what remains less than bio available. Euperised milk is best. This process can be likened to cold-processing in supplements. A process used to guarantee the best quality with the highest amount of nutrients in supplements. Others are good too, but I estimate you need twice the amount of UHT as you would from other sorts.

I really hope if one of my articles enlightens you, it is this one. You won't believe the anabolic properties of plain milk until you try it.
 
Bran987 said:
Sorry to bump an old thread.. but I found this article and there's a part I don't understand.. the whole article is about bodybuilders and milk.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catmilk.htm


Here's the part I don't understand if you don't want to read the article. Anyone have comments?

"One warning though, avoid UHT milk. The high temperature it undergoes destroys much of the nutrients and makes what remains less than bio available. Euperised milk is best. This process can be likened to cold-processing in supplements. A process used to guarantee the best quality with the highest amount of nutrients in supplements. Others are good too, but I estimate you need twice the amount of UHT as you would from other sorts.

I really hope if one of my articles enlightens you, it is this one. You won't believe the anabolic properties of plain milk until you try it.


Thank GOD!
 
faller, there have been several threads over the "F" in my profile. Its because females have more access now on EF than males. In any event I'm still waiting for that first PM that says "Hey baby... your boyfriend looks ok, but I'm alot bigger. Show me your tits!" so I can post it up so everyone can see some serious ownage.
 
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