Compared to Winny...

[JeepMan]

I Have been on Winny at 50mg ED (for 10wks) and was considering going on a D-bol/Eq stack after my current cycle.
My question is how much harder is D-bol on the liver compared to other 17-AA's such as Winny?
I'm considering a 30mg to 40mg ED D-bol (at least in that area) and 300 or 350mg wk of EQ for a total of 8 weeks.
Thanks for all the input and if anyone that has used D-bol, please let me know what you would suggest pairing it with or how you would take it in order to best retain your gains post cycle, other than with proper PCT.
Seems to me in my research, that some AAS unless paired or tripled with other AAS will result in the user's rapid loss of muscle regardless of proper PCT.

 

[Dragon14]

That's a pretty long winny cycle. I hope you were running a liver detox along with it, and plan on getting your values checked. I don't advise you to start another cycle right away if that's what you meant. Time on = time off.

The best way to retain gains is to put on quality muscle... not water weight. The rapid loss following a dbol cycle is usually water.

I'll leave the other questions to someone else. Good luck.

 

[JeepMan]

I definately used a liver detox during and after cycle. I also did wait for a month and a half before starting my next cycle. The thing with Winny and Deca is they are slow builders, so 10 to 12 weeks is not as uncommon as some think, and I did retain at least half of my gains.
Thanks for the input!

 

[hard life]

Winny is not as slow as deca, and should be used under 8 weeks. Just my opinion, I don't like messin' around with the liver.

 

[JeepMan]

It seems that there is quite a bit of loss when using D-bol, even when paired with something else.
I will stay within the 8 week area though, don't want to put too much strain on my liver.
Thanks again.

 

[BionicBC]

I Have been on Winny at 50mg ED (for 10wks) and was considering going on a D-bol/Eq stack after my current cycle.
My question is how much harder is D-bol on the liver compared to other 17-AA's such as Winny?
I'm considering a 30mg to 40mg ED D-bol (at least in that area) and 300 or 350mg wk of EQ for a total of 8 weeks.
Thanks for all the input and if anyone that has used D-bol, please let me know what you would suggest pairing it with or how you would take it in order to best retain your gains post cycle, other than with proper PCT.
Seems to me in my research, that some AAS unless paired or tripled with other AAS will result in the user's rapid loss of muscle regardless of proper PCT.

Im currently runnin 30mg ed DBOL, 500mg a week test enan, and 400mg a week deca. This is a classic stack, as im sure you know, but ill let you know how its going as i progress if youd like.....
BC

 

[fugetaboutit]

I Have been on Winny at 50mg ED (for 10wks) and was considering going on a D-bol/Eq stack after my current cycle.
My question is how much harder is D-bol on the liver compared to other 17-AA's such as Winny?
I'm considering a 30mg to 40mg ED D-bol (at least in that area) and 300 or 350mg wk of EQ for a total of 8 weeks.
Thanks for all the input and if anyone that has used D-bol, please let me know what you would suggest pairing it with or how you would take it in order to best retain your gains post cycle, other than with proper PCT.
Seems to me in my research, that some AAS unless paired or tripled with other AAS will result in the user's rapid loss of muscle regardless of proper PCT.

I'm not totaly clear on something. Are you planning to run the d-bol and EQ to continue your current cycle? If so, that's tremendous stress on the liver and would not personaly do it. If you're not doing it that way and are talking about your next cycle in the future, then my question would be how much time do you plan to stay "off" between your cycles? My advice to that would be time on = time off, then get checked (blood work) and saddle up again!

 

[Texas Ranger]

I Have been on Winny at 50mg ED (for 10wks) and was considering going on a D-bol/Eq stack after my current cycle.
My question is how much harder is D-bol on the liver compared to other 17-AA's such as Winny?
I'm considering a 30mg to 40mg ED D-bol (at least in that area) and 300 or 350mg wk of EQ for a total of 8 weeks.
Thanks for all the input and if anyone that has used D-bol, please let me know what you would suggest pairing it with or how you would take it in order to best retain your gains post cycle, other than with proper PCT.
Seems to me in my research, that some AAS unless paired or tripled with other AAS will result in the user's rapid loss of muscle regardless of proper PCT.

Jeep, how are your joints holding up?? Any pain??

 

[JeepMan]

This will be a completely new cycle. My time off will equal three quarters time on.
bionicbc: I'd appreciate your input on your cycle as time goes on. BTW, how long is your cycle going to be? I'm guessing 8 weeks.
texas ranger: My knees got a little sore but I found that always doing at least a 5 minute warmup and a 5 to 10 minute cool down helped a lot. As well, I drink at least a gallon of water a day and that has helped as well. Winny is known to dry out your joints, but it's not that bad.
Thanks for all your input!

 

[urallknobgobblers]

I will get a lot of flack for this but I think that most 17-alphas are pretty equal as far as harsheness on the liver.

Drol and dbol get a real bad name just because some douchebags wrote books on them in the 80's Winny sucks ass, during bulking cycles.. Its pretty hard to gain when your fucking elbows feel like they are gonna explode doing pushdowns or extensions.

 

[BionicBC]

This will be a completely new cycle. My time off will equal three quarters time on.
bionicbc: I'd appreciate your input on your cycle as time goes on. BTW, how long is your cycle going to be? I'm guessing 8 weeks.
texas ranger: My knees got a little sore but I found that always doing at least a 5 minute warmup and a 5 to 10 minute cool down helped a lot. As well, I drink at least a gallon of water a day and that has helped as well. Winny is known to dry out your joints, but it's not that bad.
Thanks for all your input!

No, a little longet that 8 weeks, as it takes a while for the deca to take effect. The dbol is week 1-4 @ 30mg ed, the deca is week 1-11 @ 400mg a week, the test enan is Week 1-12 @ 500mg a week, and the winny is week 9-12 @ 50mg eod. (HCG is middle and at end, clomid 2 weeks after last test shot, nolva 20mg ed thruout cycle, milk thistle 1000mg ed, flax seed oil ed thru cycle & pct)
Right now I just began week 3, i started around 186 or 187 lbs, im at 193. Up about 7lbs, waitin for the test and deca to really start kickin in here in a couple of weeks....
BC