clomid - sex

[bodybuildmass]

Ok ivebeen on a mild cycle of Decca (200mg) for 6weeks now and ive started to see puffy nips so ive added some clomid. However now, im getting a loss of erection during sex! no decca dick, ive been fine until the clomid. Is this a side effect..

Thanks

 

[Nimrod25]

First it is deca dick.
Second Clomid will do nothing for it or for the gyno.

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

puffy nips is normal in a cycle, clomid will act like an anti est, but don't count on it like nolv prov armi or liqu

 

[bodybuildmass]

thought clomid was an anti estrogen. very simular to volvadex?

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

it is thats what I said, but doesn't perform better then a nolv prov combo, or armi or liqu by itself.

 

[Nimrod25]

deca = progesterone gyno

 

[hard]

puffy nips is normal in a cycle, clomid will act like an anti est, but don't count on it like nolv prov armi or liqu

ditto.

quick - get on armidex or at least nolv asap. you don't want to f' around with gyno.

good luck,

hard

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

thats why he shouldn't count on the clomid

 

[Torch]

Clomid wont do shit for deca induced gyno..........try some winny or the hard to find ru486.

 

[bodybuildmass]

well its not too bad now, think ill drop the clomid. and as ive almost finsihed teh cycle then pick up the molmid at the end ro should i get some nolv now?

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

you should have all ready had all your gear before starting. I would get nolv as soon as possible, especially if you feel a small ball forming. If you can afford liquidex or armidex I would get that instead

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Nolvadex or Arimidex will do nothing. Nolvadex competes for the estrogen receptor, whereas Arimidex actually blocks estrogen conversion. Deca does not convert to estrogen, but can act like progesterone. Torch is right. Winny or ru-486 are your options.

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

the risk of potential water retention from deca and aromatizing to ESTROGEN cab be successfully PREVENTED by the use of NOLV and PROV!!

 

[badazzwhitedude]

First, he was concerned about puffy nips (gyno) and with Deca, you need Winny, or even better, ru-486.

Second, I am just trying to make sure I am not missing anything Mikey. Since Deca does not convert to estrogen, how can anti-estrogens keep you from retaining water while on Deca?

Progesterone is something completely different, and needs different methods of keeping its sides away.

I am not flaming you or anything, just trying to learn something new if I happen to be missing something here.

 

[Nimrod25]

I think my IQ has plummeted from reading this post, lets clarify a little.

Nandrolone can convert to both estrogen and progesterone in a manner of speaking. However it has a much higher affinity for the PR than the ER. Deca can actually lower estrogen at low doses so estrogen related problems are non-existent. When using deca there is no need for arimidex or nolvadex. However those who are prone to PR problems could be in trouble unless that have an anti-progesterone.
As for clomid helping with deca-dick, that is also false because deca-dick is due patly to LH inhibition which clomid can not correct.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I think my IQ has plummeted from reading this post, lets clarify a little.

I know what you mean, nimrod. And btw, excellent post.

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

deca can aromatize to estrogen

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

put it this way I did a deca only cycle, started to get gyno, small jelly in the left nip, started nolv at 40mg a day then dropped to 20mg a day, and a few days later it was gone, while uping my mgs, so explain that then if it wouldn't do anything with deca.

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Must be nor-estrogen then (from nor-testosterone) which would be much weaker than estrogen, right?

 

[Nimrod25]

Hey mikey,

u are contradicting yourself. U said deca can not convert to estrogen, but then u said u used nolvadex on ur deca only cycle to stop gyno?????

The fact is deca is a weird substance, at low doses many are fine, but once u get up in mgs u can have both estogen and progestreone problems.

What dose were u using?