Clomid replacements

[chudzman]

1st. the article in MD magazine about clomid not recommended.
2nd. The side effects of Some people are getting.

So, with all the late talk of Clomid being evil (but effective) are there other products that can jump start the natural prodution of testosterone? Does anyone have any experience with them?

Any help will be apreciated!

 

[UA_Iron]

tamoxifen citrate + hcg is a solid PCT regimine.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

I use it with no trouble....

 

[UA_Iron]

I use it with no trouble....

no way dude, I've seen your posts. You get all emotional

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

no way dude, I've seen your posts. You get all emotional

I do, infact, I'm crying right now...hold me
For real, I'm not very sensitive to the stuff...

 

[chudzman]

So... I read the pct formus... and i didnt see anything direct inputs on what could replace clomid as a test kick starter....

wich one of those 2 can kick start it?
tamoxifen citrate + hcg?

 

[nydj66]

So... I read the pct formus... and i didnt see anything direct inputs on what could replace clomid as a test kick starter....

wich one of those 2 can kick start it?
tamoxifen citrate + hcg?

I started PCT yesterday; 50mg clomid with 20mg nolvadex. Last night I'm reading an old Native American fable to my daughter and I get all choked up and can barely read because the because the ugly girl with the kind heart gets to marry the invisible being. How's that for emotional?

Nolvadex and clomid do nearly the same thing and nolvadex can completely replace clomid if you wish. 40mg/day for 3 weeks has worked for me in the past.

HCG is used only to restore the testes if they've atrophied (cycles of 10 weeks or longer). However, it is as suppressive to the hypothalamus and pituitary as AAS so it needs to be discontinued before clomid/nolvadex therapy starts.

 

[hard life]

I like nolvadex over clomid, it works better for me.

 

[Stacemranger]

I started PCT yesterday; 50mg clomid with 20mg nolvadex. Last night I'm reading an old Native American fable to my daughter and I get all choked up and can barely read because the because the ugly girl with the kind heart gets to marry the invisible being. How's that for emotional?

Nolvadex and clomid do nearly the same thing and nolvadex can completely replace clomid if you wish. 40mg/day for 3 weeks has worked for me in the past.

HCG is used only to restore the testes if they've atrophied (cycles of 10 weeks or longer). However, it is as suppressive to the hypothalamus and pituitary as AAS so it needs to be discontinued before clomid/nolvadex therapy starts.

HCG also restores your HPTA. My PCT always will be

HCG 3x/Week for one week at 1000 iu's with Nolvadex 20mg ED. Stop HCG, continue Nolva at 20mgED for 3 weeks. I sometimes also do Clomid at 50mg ED the whole time. This I got from Jenetic and is tried and true.

 

[nydj66]

HCG also restores your HPTA. My PCT always will be

HCG 3x/Week for one week at 1000 iu's with Nolvadex 20mg ED. Stop HCG, continue Nolva at 20mgED for 3 weeks. I sometimes also do Clomid at 50mg ED the whole time. This I got from Jenetic and is tried and true.

HPTA stands for Hypothalmic Pituitary Testicular Axis. As I stated, HCG will stimulate the testes to produce testosterone. However, the very production of that testosterone will suppress the hypothalamus and pituitary through the negative feedback loop.

I too use HCG at 1000IU EOD but I do it the last three weeks on cycle, then start clomid/nolvadex.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

for PCT
there is no better combination than low dose clomid(nolva if you must ) + AI + low dose hcg.

IMHO hcg should never be used without an AI

 

[macrophage69alpha]

as a note- clomid sides are usually due to the use of excessive doses (not to mention its long half life (4-5 days)- nolvas is longer 8-10 (which increases to 14 after extended use)

 

[testbaby25]

Sorry but whats AI?

 

[nydj66]

Sorry but whats AI?

Aromatase Inhibitor. It prevents the aromatazition of testosterone to estrogen. Arimidex and Femara are both AI's.