Clomid or Nolva for pct ?

[GreekGod]

What do you think is better for pct ?

I'm looking for opinions by people who have first hand experience with both substances, not just quotes of articles (like the famous BigCat article that I've seen quoted a hundred times : http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm). Theory is important, but ultimately it's practical experience that counts. So what works best ?

 

[AMGETR]

Neither do the same thing, so why ask? Nolva is used for gyno, while clomid is used to boost the testicles due to being shut off from the gear.

PCT consists of two things: hcg, and clomid. Nolva is used in PCT sometimes as well, because after you are off the juice, your hormones are jumping around trying to get back to their natural levels. So you don't want gyno in the process of them going back to normal.

Run clomid for 6 weeks, and hcg for the first 3 weeks along with it. Nolva you keep on hand if you see gyno occuring.

 

[Bruce]

actually nolvadex and clomid are very similar, if you research enough. nolva increases natural production of test and prevents gyno stronger than clomid. it is better in both areas, and there are no side effects of nolva. clomid can have many. i swear by nolva as do many others on this site. unless your testicles are shrinking then i suggest hcg during cycle to keep them at size they are.

 

[GreekGod]

Neither do the same thing, so why ask? Nolva is used for gyno, while clomid is used to boost the testicles due to being shut off from the gear.

PCT consists of two things: hcg, and clomid. Nolva is used in PCT sometimes as well, because after you are off the juice, your hormones are jumping around trying to get back to their natural levels. So you don't want gyno in the process of them going back to normal.

Run clomid for 6 weeks, and hcg for the first 3 weeks along with it. Nolva you keep on hand if you see gyno occuring.

Thank you guys both for the replies, amgetr I think you're wrong about nolva being used only for gyno, that happened in the past. In medicine nolva is used for breast cancer and clomid for fertility, and that's why bodybuilders originally assigned these different roles to each drug, nolva for gyno, clomid for pct. But these days for pct some use clomid, others nolva, and others do both. I think the article by BigCat that I referred to plus some other articles by Nelson Montana etc. have influenced a lot of people towards choosing nolva over clomid, and my question is if it does really work better in practice.

 

[azul]

Thank you guys both for the replies, amgetr I think you're wrong about nolva being used only for gyno, that happened in the past. In medicine nolva is used for breast cancer and clomid for fertility, and that's why bodybuilders originally assigned these different roles to each drug, nolva for gyno, clomid for pct. But these days for pct some use clomid, others nolva, and others do both. I think the article by BigCat that I referred to plus some other articles by Nelson Montana etc. have influenced a lot of people towards choosing nolva over clomid, and my question is if it does really work better in practice.

It's really quite simple. There isn't an enormous difference between them: they both stimulate testosterone production and work against estrogen (in different ways, though). The main difference is that nolvadex is stronger mg for mg, which is why it's more commonly used.

 

[Bruce]

It's really quite simple. There isn't an enormous difference between them: they both stimulate testosterone production and work against estrogen (in different ways, though). The main difference is that nolvadex is stronger mg for mg, which is why it's more commonly used.

b-e-a-utiful. thank u

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

What do you think is better for pct ?

I'm looking for opinions by people who have first hand experience with both substances, not just quotes of articles (like the famous BigCat article that I've seen quoted a hundred times : http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm). Theory is important, but ultimately it's practical experience that counts. So what works best ?

Take both and HCG

 

[shamrock11]

I agree with the above. Espically if you are on a big cycle.

 

[turbogreek]

i've taken clomid alone and then both clomid and nolva together. never used HCG. used the 300/100/50mg clomid schedule 21 days and then the same schedule with nolva nolva for 4 weeks for a different cycle. i recovered a lot quicker with both.

i would definately base it on the cycle too...simple or more advanced...long or short...there are a lot of different things that come into play when planning a good PCT.

 

[krishna]

They work in different ways, but they accomplish similar results. I believe clomid stimulates the pituitary to release LH and FSH which stimulates natural natural test through spermatogenesis. Nolva blocks estrogen receptors which stimulates test through negative feedback. I read that the effects of clomid wear off easily and don't last though (in men). Wondering how this affects PCT? If I had to choose, I'd choose Nolva because it seems that negative feedback would work better in the long run. Clomid may even interfere with this. I just started nolva without clomid and it's working great!

 

[untamedgorilla]

is this pct ok? im dojn 10weeks test e 500mg, 300 deca 10 weeks and 6 weeks of winny, 3 weeks after last poke gonna do HCG for 3 weeks 3 times a week at 1500, clomid for 3 weeks and nolva for 3 weeks?

 

[krishna]

is this pct ok? im dojn 10weeks test e 500mg, 300 deca 10 weeks and 6 weeks of winny, 3 weeks after last poke gonna do HCG for 3 weeks 3 times a week at 1500, clomid for 3 weeks and nolva for 3 weeks?

You have to run the nolva at least 2 weeks past the HCG because HCG can produce sides. The HCG fills you up, and the nolva balances you out. You need at least 5 weeks of nolva with that PCT.

 

[lefler]

Neither do the same thing, so why ask? Nolva is used for gyno, while clomid is used to boost the testicles due to being shut off from the gear.

PCT consists of two things: hcg, and clomid. Nolva is used in PCT sometimes as well, because after you are off the juice, your hormones are jumping around trying to get back to their natural levels. So you don't want gyno in the process of them going back to normal.

Run clomid for 6 weeks, and hcg for the first 3 weeks along with it. Nolva you keep on hand if you see gyno occuring.

doesnt it just suck when you spout off at the mouth then end up wrong.... "Neither do the same thing, so why ask?" .... this is why you should try and not be a dick, so you dont look foolish.