Maccy, I didn't meant to sound like I was being sarcastic. I still talk to people who have been a pro body builders for years and they are young and still I get the same answers. But now that I read the forums all I read is completely different. Especially on unleashed, post cycle and forma. Aren't we all need something strong to regain our natural testostrone? Im not a fan of nolva and clomid but those are all I know or heard of from people. That's why I asked. If you could explain more of what you know I d really appreciate it. Thanks.