Clen and t3 while on cycle or for pct?

[satyricon1]

About to start a 10-12 week cycle of test cyp, dbol and winstrol.

I am looking to use Clenbuterol and probably t3 as well. Wondering if I should hold off til i start the PCT or just run it at the same time. Also, I am wondering about the t3 dosages, not familiar with it, but have the understanding that Clen will deplete my t3 pretty quickly. Also, wondering if I can extend the clen while using t3, or do i still have to run 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, or can i extend it to 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

Thanks.

 

[lartinos]

T3 only while taking an anabolic.
What are your goals exactly?
Diet is paramount.

 

[rambleon]

Don't EVER run clen/T3 while on pct.

 

[satyricon1]

Don't EVER run clen/T3 while on pct.

Ok, that sounds pretty serious of a warning to me. I have no idea why, but thanks. Also, could you please elaborate?

Here is the deal, I am currently at least at 16% bodyfat. I have not measured it, but I have been dieting since last december, i was 142kgs back then, now I am 106,5kg. Should equal something like 235 pounds or so.

My coming cycle is for muscle gains and strength. It consists of dbol, test-cyp and winstrol. I am expecting to gain some waterweight that I intended to fight off with some AIs. However, i did not want to go too strong on that, since im on winny in the end and the estrogen could be good for my joints.

I read that Clenbuterol had anti-katabolic or maybe even anabolic effects. So I was thinking that during my pct, I could shed some fat while keeping my muscles. So was thinking about using clen as part of PCT. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, then 2 weeks on again and my pct would be over. I was planing on using aromasin, nolvadex and HCG for my recovery.

I am so incredible thankfull for these boards, I have learned so much over the years i been a member here, so once again I am all ears to you guys on this matter.

Thanks!

 

[rambleon]

Ok, that sounds pretty serious of a warning to me. I have no idea why, but thanks. Also, could you please elaborate?

Here is the deal, I am currently at least at 16% bodyfat. I have not measured it, but I have been dieting since last december, i was 142kgs back then, now I am 106,5kg. Should equal something like 235 pounds or so.

My coming cycle is for muscle gains and strength. It consists of dbol, test-cyp and winstrol. I am expecting to gain some waterweight that I intended to fight off with some AIs. However, i did not want to go too strong on that, since im on winny in the end and the estrogen could be good for my joints.

I read that Clenbuterol had anti-katabolic or maybe even anabolic effects. So I was thinking that during my pct, I could shed some fat while keeping my muscles. So was thinking about using clen as part of PCT. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, then 2 weeks on again and my pct would be over. I was planing on using aromasin, nolvadex and HCG for my recovery.

I am so incredible thankfull for these boards, I have learned so much over the years i been a member here, so once again I am all ears to you guys on this matter.

Thanks!

Sorry bur the much vaunted anticatabolic abilities of clen is a total myth. Sadly clen has no such effect.

I didn't mean to sound as if my warning was health related but the t3/clen combo is actually highly catabolic so using it for pct pretty much insures fast loss of any gains made. This sorta defeats the whole purpose of cycling no?

To begin with the whole art of pct is to retain as much as possible and I can imagine no worse strategy for this than boosting metabolism while test levels are low (as they'll be at that time).

Personally I'd never use T3 without some aas to retain muscle while losing weight.

If u want to get rid of some fat in the end use the fat loss stack while still on the winny.

Hope this helps.

 

[nydj66]

I've used clen during PCT before since it gives some energy when it is needed most.

However, T3 is way too catabolic to use without an anabolic.

 

[satyricon1]

Thanks for the feeback bud, appreciate it. Reason why I was thinking t3 is because of the depletion during clen cycle. However, I am not interested in losing my muscle gains, however, sticking to clen alone for 2 x 2 weeks during pct, in addition to nolva, hcg and aromasin should, in theory establish a better environment for maintaining my gains while at the same time, getting rid of fat. Because I expect to gain quite a bit of waterweight from the dbol, using AIs from day 1 throughout week 4 will hopefully limit that a bit, without causing too much interference. However, my thought is that psychologicly, when the waterweight is droping, you feel very weak and scrappy, was thinking that if i managed to cut some good flab at the same time, it would not feel so discouraging maybe.

I am on thin ice here, its all guesswork from my side, as I do not have any personal experience with this, however, i find it very interesting that some of you guys got the experience, and I would very much like to hear how you guys used Clen in your PCT stages, with or without success.

Please give me some good stories for pros and cons with clen in PCT. thanks =)

 

[Roxy722]

My 2 cents would be that clen is somewhat overrated and you could probably see the same, if not better effects, at dropping fat during PCT with any of the products here, like need2slin, lipstim/flame, forged burner etc. My results with clen have been minimal and my diet had to be spot on (which begs the question...would I have seen the same results without it and not felt like a meth head). It definitely keeps you moving in times of hard cuts/ low energy but there are safer ways to do it, without some of the nasty sides. Since finding this site, I probably wouldn't go the clen route again. If you really want to use it, I'd wait and use it for a legit cut, rather then PCT. Look into the slin though...it's a great product.

 

[satyricon1]

ty =)

 

[lartinos]

Clen is great, just take it with something like adderllin in the off time and you'll be gtg.