Carbohydrates and Sleep!

[B0dybuilder]

Im having a debate, something im not well educated in so gimme some help bro's....

Does your body burn carbohydrates while you sleep?

I beleive it does at a slower rate, therefor i like to ingest some slow release carbs with slow release protein before i sleep to stay as anti-catabolic during those 9hours as i can.

My opposition beleives the body burns NO carbs during sleep and that any ingested before sleep go straight to fat!

Your opinions please!

 

[sublime35]

yes your body burns carbs. when you sleep and yes it is slower. Do you think your body can tell thats its carbs thats it metabolizing. Its not like after you go to sleep your body shuts off its carb burning abilities.

 

[B0dybuilder]

See thats my argument! Know any links to support it?

 

[sublime35]

I looked but couldn't find any, but I will keep searching.

 

[JKurz1]

What exatly do you eat? When do you crash? When do you train?

 

[poopmonkey]

I assume your "opposition" is people who say you should eliminate/reduce carbs before bed?

Not sure who originated the idea, but I know I heard about it while reading up on DC training.

DC only espoused the idea for people who were A) cutting or B) adding an unacceptable amount of bodyfat while bulking.

So based on that, he recommended that they cut their calories (obviously).

And since he is a firm believer that you should keep pounding protein while cutting in order to keep that hard earned muscle (and since we know that if daily fat intake isn't high enough your body will burn the protein instead), the obvious choice was to cut the carbs.

Now here's where all the controversy started:

DC could have easily said... "reduce your carbs by 350 grams per day".

But he said himself that he already has to count grams of protein per day, he'd prefer to not have to count anything else.

So he said "cut out carbs after 6pm."

Now he could have said "cut out carbs from 2pm-5:49pm" but it's all the same.

Basically he just wanted a reduction in carbs without actually having to count carbs.

And if you're going to reduce carb intake, A)I think it's easier to do it at night and B) if you're doing morning cardio, it makes sense to take this extra step to ensure the carbs are out of your system by the time you hit the treadmill.

 

[B0dybuilder]

Jkruz... i normally train from 730-9pm, i then take a post workout shake at 9 and eat a dinner at 11, normally munch on something like peanut butter after that and sleep around 11/12 after i eat. I think the most bf i have had is around 13%.

Good call poop monkey... yeah the guy im debating with thinks you should eliminate carbs and funny enuff hes on DC training!

 

[JKurz1]

Jkruz... i normally train from 730-9pm, i then take a post workout shake at 9 and eat a dinner at 11, normally munch on something like peanut butter after that and sleep around 11/12 after i eat. I think the most bf i have had is around 13%.

Good call poop monkey... yeah the guy im debating with thinks you should eliminate carbs and funny enuff hes on DC training!

Youre fine bro...after training your body is stil in the metabolic state for a good 3 hours....it's crying for carbs.......I'd eat a ANPB sandwhich (ezekiel or some wholesome bread) and crash......I have my PW meal, then 2 hours later a casein shake, some cotage cheese and a boatload of peanuts.....i's my pre-bed treat..I'm out 10 minutes later..........

 

[Slyder190]

You have no significant energy needs while sleeping except for daily energy requirements of the body to carry out it's basic functions on the inside, so to speak. So carbs before bed will not be burned in any great amount, and will more easily be converted to fat. You're not movin or doing anything, just bascically breathing. Of course it depends on each person't BMR. I wouldn't eat a large carb meal before bed. i'd keep carbs low at this time. I usually have like 8-10 in my hight-time shake. I think protein or protein/moderate fat is a btter choice at bedtime.

 

[JKurz1]

You have no significant energy needs while sleeping except for daily energy requirements of the body to carry out it's basic functions on the inside, so to speak. So carbs before bed will not be burned in any great amount, and will more easily be converted to fat. You're not movin or doing anything, just bascically breathing. Of course it depends on each person't BMR. I wouldn't eat a large carb meal before bed. i'd keep carbs low at this time. I usually have like 8-10 in my hight-time shake. I think protein or protein/moderate fat is a btter choice at bedtime.

Complete horseshit!

 

[JKurz1]

I train at night and crash about 3 hours later..........I slam my PW shake immidiately, and then have a meal (heavy protein and carbs) 1-2 hours later....and a snack on protein and fats a little bit after that (prob. 5 minutes before bed)...........tell me my carb meal before bed is wrong.....

 

[Slyder190]

Jkurz, don't get your panites all knotted up. If you work out in the evening closer to bed time, that is a different story. But there was no mention of such. All I was saying, is that he needs no significant carb content meal before bed, provided he doesn't workout later in the day. he's not going to be doing any strenuous activity, not readin, not even clickin the remote. I see no need for any significant amount of carbs before bed. Most take a protein powder mix or meal, and perhaps some type of healthy fat source. I use a protein blend with some EFA's in it. Roughly about 14-15 grams. If I have whole food before bed, I may have as high as 20 grams before bed depending. I didn't say have zero carbs even, just to keep them low. I may have about 10-12 carbs in my meal before bed.

Now, I respectively say that you need not jump down my throat and start callin horse-shit. I hear what you're sayin, and that is a different situation then what I was referring under the circumstances, so my advice reflected such a differnece. Hear what I'm sayin as well. Get something to eat bro, you're a little cranky today.

 

[B0dybuilder]

Well at least you all agree you do at least burn SOME carbs!

 

[JKurz1]

Jkurz, don't get your panites all knotted up. If you work out in the evening closer to bed time, that is a different story. But there was no mention of such. All I was saying, is that he needs no significant carb content meal before bed, provided he doesn't workout later in the day. he's not going to be doing any strenuous activity, not readin, not even clickin the remote. I see no need for any significant amount of carbs before bed. Most take a protein powder mix or meal, and perhaps some type of healthy fat source. I use a protein blend with some EFA's in it. Roughly about 14-15 grams. If I have whole food before bed, I may have as high as 20 grams before bed depending. I didn't say have zero carbs even, just to keep them low. I may have about 10-12 carbs in my meal before bed.

Now, I respectively say that you need not jump down my throat and start callin horse-shit. I hear what you're sayin, and that is a different situation then what I was referring under the circumstances, so my advice reflected such a differnece. Hear what I'm sayin as well. Get something to eat bro, you're a little cranky today.

CRANKY????????? most definately.....it was leg day.....always gets me f-ing cranky till I'm finished...........now I can EAT MY CARBS AND CRASHHHHHHHH!!!

Actually, just glad to see where I'm coming from.........My prebed meal is cottage cheese, a shake and some peanuts..........nothing spectacular....

 

[JKurz1]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to slyder190 again.

 

[Slyder190]

 

[blz]

See thats my argument! Know any links to support it?

You do not need any links for this. This is simple biology. Although your body does reduce it's metabolism during periods of rest, it does need glucose to sustain basic energy yeiling reactions.