Can winny REALLY help with prog gyno?

[Dr.X]

I've done the searches and the available evidence doesn't seem very strong supporting the claim that winny can help with progesterone-related gyno. (Which sucks!) Has anyone had any personal experiences with this potential treatment? Did it work?

In my particular case, I have swollen nipples and small subcutaneous lumps. I'm already taking liquidex (0.5mg/d) and nolva (10mg/d) on a 30/d dbol, 500/w test, 400/w deca cycle so I'm assuming that the symptoms are related to the deca. I really don't want to stop the deca if at all possible.

 

[smokinghawk]

I don't have enough knowledge to vote, but I asked a question about anti-progesterones, and was told that the only *true* anti-P is RU-486, which has a monster's load of side effects.

Winny, I was told, isn't an anti-P so much as it is a steroid that does't increase P. Is that correct, vets?

 

[MJay95]

I don't have enough knowledge to vote, but I asked a question about anti-progesterones, and was told that the only *true* anti-P is RU-486, which has a monster's load of side effects.

Winny, I was told, isn't an anti-P so much as it is a steroid that does't increase P. Is that correct, vets?

I don't know about the MONSTER'S LOAD amount of side effects
(I barely had any)

The TRUE anti-p is dead on.

BTW: Are you planning on doing a Deca cycle?

MJ

 

[BigAndy69]

Could be the dbol+Test.

Bump up the liquidex to 1mg ED. If that doesn't help than you know it's the deca(which I doubt BTW.)

Remember that if you combine an oral like dbol with test or other injectables, you are more likely to get gyno. Even winny can cause that problem. (I'm sorry but I can't seem to recall the exact explanation, something about growth factors in the liver..)

 

[badgermilk]

When I did 500mg/week of Deca I took winny tabs at 100mg/day and did not get Prog Gyno, but from everything I read it is extremely rare to get anyway. For me, I'd rather be safe then sorry!

 

[badgermilk]

Dr.X

Check out this thread

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=25022

Here's another

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27651

 

[Dr.X]

Thanks BigAndy and badgermilk - my nipples appreciate your input.

Anyone else?

 

[mvmaxx]

Could be the dbol+Test.

Bump up the liquidex to 1mg ED. If that doesn't help than you know it's the deca(which I doubt BTW.)

Remember that if you combine an oral like dbol with test or other injectables, you are more likely to get gyno. Even winny can cause that problem. (I'm sorry but I can't seem to recall the exact explanation, something about growth factors in the liver..)

I agree and I disagree.

BigAndy is right that it could be the dbol + test and in my assumption that's probably what it is. I would look at this scenario first then look at the progesterone/prolactin scenario.
Read this thread for fina related gyno, which I believe exhibits the same symptoms as decca related gyno. thread

However, I know from first hand experience that bumping the Liquidex to 1mg/ED will not get rid of, or even subside, the gyno by itself. Yes you DEFINITELY need to bump it up to 1mg/ED but you also need to bump up that Nolvadex to 60mg/ED. When my onset of gyno occurred, doing that EXACT same cycle as you, I found that it was the dbol that caused it. 20mg/ED did absolutely nothing and it took 60mg/ED to really help relieve the problem. I laughed when I read you were taking 10mg/ED. Seriously bro, bump that up now.

 

[manny78]

I don't have enough knowledge to vote, but I asked a question about anti-progesterones, and was told that the only *true* anti-P is RU-486, which has a monster's load of side effects.

Winny, I was told, isn't an anti-P so much as it is a steroid that does't increase P. Is that correct, vets?

right on. Ru-486 as so many sides that I wont do it again..........

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

if you all ready have the lumps you are in pretty bad shape. If you used the winny during the cycle this would have help, now it is kinda late. Most people complain of gyno from deca, those that have used around 50mg a day of winny during the last few weeks of a deca cycle, had good results gyno free.

 

[magdelana]

Winstrol does suppress estrogen (E), but it cannot do anything about actual gyno. I am a woman with natural C-level breasts. If i have a hysterectory will my tits disapear? No. Neither will yours by reducing your E level.

Progesterone (P) can agonize the E receptors in the nipple and cause gyno in some unlucky fellows. The swollen nipples will be helped by the Winstrol but the lumps you have are fat deposits just my mine (except mine are much bigger!) and cannot be reduced by any hormone.

I know you do not want to hear this and i am very sorry but the only thing you can do to rid yourself of the lumps is surgery.