Calling Bill Llewellyn!!

[Mr. Las Vegas]

Bill, what, in your opinion is the best way to get the testicles going after a cycle? Thanks.

 

[nautica]

HCG and Clomid.

Just got his anabolic 2000

Bill you are the man. I do not completely agree with you about everything, but then again who the hell am I.

You did a great job on the book. I started reading it about 8 last night and didn't finish it until 4 this morning.

Good Job and Thanks for the effort you put into it
Nautica

One more question Bill. Do you have any or know of anybooks out there that have more infor on half-lives and detection times. Thanks.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Thanks Nautica,

Actually I am more fond of HCG plus Nolvadex lately. Nolvadex is better all around. I'd only go for Clomid if it were unavailable..

I hope you mean Anabolics 2002.. It's out, and much better than the old b&w 2000 edition... If its in good condition you could prob return it..

Off hand I can't recommend a book on drug detection, but I think one covered the subject specifically some years back. Forget the name, and never read it.. I may look into doing something on this in the future perhaps..

- Bill

 

[DaMan]

Thanks Nautica,

Actually I am more fond of HCG plus Nolvadex lately. Nolvadex is better all around. I'd only go for Clomid if it were unavailable..

- Bill

Bill: If I understand you correctly, you say that

a) HCG should be used POST-CYCLE (thus introducing synthetic LH and downregulating your body's endogenous production potentially slowing HPTA recovery)

b) Clomid POST-CYCLE is not necessary if nolva and HCG are used POST-CYCLE?

(note I'm talking all about POST-cycle, not MID-cycle, in which case I agree with you).

Pls elaborate on that...

 

[Mr. Las Vegas]

Bump, on DaMan's question.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Bill: If I understand you correctly, you say that

a) HCG should be used POST-CYCLE (thus introducing synthetic LH and downregulating your body's endogenous production potentially slowing HPTA recovery)

b) Clomid POST-CYCLE is not necessary if nolva and HCG are used POST-CYCLE?

(note I'm talking all about POST-cycle, not MID-cycle, in which case I agree with you).

Pls elaborate on that...

HCG is important because the testicles get atrophied during longer cycles. With this loss in mass also comes a loss in the ability to respond properly to LH with increased testosterone production once the cycle is over. Even if Nolvadex/Clomid will help to get LH levels elevated, the testicles won't respond to it well.. HCG provides a bolus dose of LH, to help shock them back into shape faster than a slight elevation would. Post-cycle I actually think Nolvadex's main purpose is to block any excess estrogen from the HCG shots, as once the drugs are gone you don't have much estrogen or androgen to deal with until T release from the testicles catches up.

Clomid is essentially Nolvadex, just not as strong. The thought that one is an anti-estrogen and the other a T stimulating drug is incorrect.

- Bill Llewellyn

 

[DaMan]

HCG is important because the testicles get atrophied during longer cycles. With this loss in mass also comes a loss in the ability to respond properly to LH with increased testosterone production once the cycle is over. Even if Nolvadex/Clomid will help to get LH levels elevated, the testicles won't respond to it well.. HCG provides a bolus dose of LH, to help shock them back into shape faster than a slight elevation would. Post-cycle I actually think Nolvadex's main purpose is to block any excess estrogen from the HCG shots, as once the drugs are gone you don't have much estrogen or androgen to deal with until T release from the testicles catches up.

Clomid is essentially Nolvadex, just not as strong. The thought that one is an anti-estrogen and the other a T stimulating drug is incorrect.

- Bill Llewellyn

Whoa. So you ARE saying Nolva can be used vs Clomid post-cycle... that's a pretty significant proposition and contrary to much of what this board believes (I don't have the background to discuss this with you, but others do). I hope you don't mind if I start a separate thread on this, it's bound to get some attention. It will point to this thread.

Thx for your feedback!!!

 

[nautica]

Thanks Nautica,

Actually I am more fond of HCG plus Nolvadex lately. Nolvadex is better all around. I'd only go for Clomid if it were unavailable..

I hope you mean Anabolics 2002.. It's out, and much better than the old b&w 2000 edition... If its in good condition you could prob return it..


I just bought it 2 days ago. I did not realize there was 2002 out yet. Give me a site and I will order it also.

Thanks
Nauitca

 

[gtaman]

Bill Llewellyn, I don't know who you are, but this board has taken a turn for the better since you got here! Anyway, I'm definitely buying your book.

In a related thread you stated that "if possible you would minimize your anti-estrogen regime while on cycle" - having to do with blood glucose or something.

My question is specifically about my present cycle, which is 250 mg of test enanthate every three days + dbol in an ascending pattern 20mg/day wk 1, 30 mg/day wk 2, 40 mg/day wk 3, then tapering off in wk 4 and no dbol from weeks 5-9. Winny will be used in weeks 6 thru 9.

I was taking arimidex at .25mg daily. Would you think gains & muscle recovery would be improved by going to .25mg EOD.

I'd be reluctant to drop it entirely.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

The reason is that estrogen has been shown to support an important pathway in which glucose is utilized by the muscle. This is the same reason women tend to notice less muscle damage than men for similar levels of exercise.

But if using an arom-inhibitor for a specific purpose, such as maximizing the androgen to estrogen ratio for fat loss, you really can't have it both ways.

A middle ground is a hormone like Boldenone though, which has less estrogen conversion but seemingly enough to aid growth. Prob a lot easier than trying to guess what dosage of an inhibitor suppresses it "just enough".

- Bill Llewelyn

BTW-Nautica, you can grab 2002 off a link on my website below.