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Caffeine increases insulin resistance not sensitivity.

OMEGA

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A pleasing blend
By mixing exercise with caffeine, you decrease your risk of insulin
resistance
by Sarah Haines
morning coffee may jump start your day, but it may also increase your
susceptibility to diabetes, say U of G and Queen's University researchers.
Felicia Greer, a PhD candidate in Guelph's Department of Human Biology and
Nutritional Sciences; Bob Ross, an associate professor in the Faculty of
Health Sciences at Queen's University; and Bob Hudson, an endocrinologist at
Queen's, have found that a high intake of caffeine can increase insulin
resistance.
This phenomenon is related to a low uptake of glucose in the cells. Insulin
is a hormone that helps cells take up glucose in the blood. People who are
insulin-resistant are more susceptible to diabetes, high blood pressure and
cardiovascular disease.
"The impact of insulin resistance will be more serious for some people than
others," says Greer. "It will depend on their age, lifestyle and level of
fitness."
The insulin-resistant study involved eight healthy but sedentary males
between the ages of 24 and 30. During the trials, the participants received
either a placebo or a pure caffeine pill (the equivalent of two or three
cups of strong coffee) after withdrawing from caffeine consumption for 48
hours. Their insulin resistance was measured after each pill was consumed.
The researchers found that after participants ingested caffeine, their
ability to take up glucose was reduced by 20 to 25 per cent, which
translates into increased insulin resistance. In contrast, the placebo had
no effect on glucose take-up.
 
omega, i saw this report somewhwere else in my ne travels just the other day.

So basiclaly what this tells me is that it's not a good thing to take caffeine pre or post workout.

I hope theres some kind of fine line where you can take in so much caffeine before the glucose uptake inhibition starts taking effect.

I'd like to see some more input on this. I think this should be moved to the dieting board or something.
 
you know I am very sensitive to caffeine esp coffee for some reason and it really pushes me over the edge

there is reason to belive their is an amino acid in gree tea that combats part of this phenominon
 
excess caffeine or even little to the super sensitive can predispose you to fat gain in the abdomen area and upper buttox

basically the fat distribtuon of an obese person


not only does caffeine stimulate the pancreas to relise insulin, butit also rasies cortisol levels markedly


it also blocks the uptake of many nutrients
 
OMEGA said:
excess caffeine or even little to the super sensitive can predispose you to fat gain in the abdomen area and upper buttox

basically the fat distribtuon of an obese person


not only does caffeine stimulate the pancreas to relise insulin, butit also rasies cortisol levels markedly


it also blocks the uptake of many nutrients
i think im living proof of htat.
 
well why the heckt hen is caffeine such a prevalent additive to fat burning products?

we need macro or ulter or someone to chime in on this, which is why i feel it should be moved to the diet forum cause they really don't check out this board. Or hey, maybe someone can pm them and ask to comment.
 
I would like to see a true study done instead of a PhD "candidate" giving caffeine pill to 8 fatboys before I stop drinking coffee all day. The increased level in fat burning when caffeine included with other fat burners HAS been proven. If as they say caffeine made you more insulin resistant then your insulin levels would rise stopping the fat burning process and this is not the case.
 
OMEGA said:
A pleasing blend
By mixing exercise with caffeine, you decrease your risk of insulin
resistance
by Sarah Haines
morning coffee may jump start your day, but it may also increase your
susceptibility to diabetes, say U of G and Queen's University researchers.
Felicia Greer, a PhD candidate in Guelph's Department of Human Biology and
Nutritional Sciences; Bob Ross, an associate professor in the Faculty of
Health Sciences at Queen's University; and Bob Hudson, an endocrinologist at
Queen's, have found that a high intake of caffeine can increase insulin
resistance.
This phenomenon is related to a low uptake of glucose in the cells. Insulin
is a hormone that helps cells take up glucose in the blood. People who are
insulin-resistant are more susceptible to diabetes, high blood pressure and
cardiovascular disease.
"The impact of insulin resistance will be more serious for some people than
others," says Greer. "It will depend on their age, lifestyle and level of
fitness."
The insulin-resistant study involved eight healthy but sedentary males
between the ages of 24 and 30. During the trials, the participants received
either a placebo or a pure caffeine pill (the equivalent of two or three
cups of strong coffee) after withdrawing from caffeine consumption for 48
hours. Their insulin resistance was measured after each pill was consumed.
The researchers found that after participants ingested caffeine, their
ability to take up glucose was reduced by 20 to 25 per cent, which
translates into increased insulin resistance. In contrast, the placebo had
no effect on glucose take-up.

This is more than likely due to the release of triglycerides. As free fatty acid levels increase, insulin sensitivity decreases, since the body is now shuttling fats into beta-oxidation sparing glucose. This occurs with beta-adrenergics also. This is not bad, per se, as this is most likely what spares LBM during dieting while using ephedrine/caffeine, but chronic elevation of triglycerides with a hyper-caloric diet is.
 
atlantabiolab said:
This is more than likely due to the release of triglycerides. As free fatty acid levels increase, insulin sensitivity decreases, since the body is now shuttling fats into beta-oxidation sparing glucose. This occurs with beta-adrenergics also. This is not bad, per se, as this is most likely what spares LBM during dieting while using ephedrine/caffeine, but chronic elevation of triglycerides with a hyper-caloric diet is.



really? you dont say? :)
 
Ulter :)

your product has alot it to negate many of the mal effects that I desribed

Macro is smart

so basically with liporexin and thermorexin one can derive the bennies associates with caff, while deriving additonal bennies from the other substances that offset the negatives of caff :artist:
 
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OMEGA said:
is that ou in your avatar?

your doing alright :)



yea that's me.

i just mean that my problem areas are stomach and upper ass....seems like I store most of my bodyfat there....and i take around 400 mg caffiene every day during the week.
 
What people are missing is that you actually WANT insulin resistance on a diet - specifically insulin resistance in fat cells.That's part of the reason thermo's work so well.All the best fat burning drugs do this- GH for example.It causes resistance but it's a wonderful "fat burner".
 
Here's a post by Lyle McDonald:
" the thing to realize is what insulin resistance actually implies. Insulin is a storage hormone, stimulating nutrient uptake in many tissues (including liver, muscle, and fat cells). This is especially true for glucose.

So what happens when fat cells are insulin resistant? It means that insulin can't inhibit lipolysis (fat breakdown). Nor can it activate nutrient storage. This is part of why severely insulin resistannt individuals get increased blood levels of glucose, fatty acids and cholesterol, insulin is unable to either limit release from the cell or stimulate uptake. Since muscle is full (see below), they either get stored in inappropriate places (beta-cells of the liver) or float around in the bloodstream.

What about in muscle? An insulin resistant muscle cell is unable to uptake glucose. Without glucose to use for fuel, the cell has to find an alternative source. In this case, that alternative source is fatty acids.

So when fat cell insulin resistance is high, fatty acids are easier to mobilze. When muscle cell insulin resistance is high, glucose isn't used for fuel and fatty acids are. So in a caloric deficit, this means you use more fat for fuel b/c they are coming out of fat cells more easily and muscle is usingg them preferentially for fuel.

this is part of how things like clen, EC and GH work. By mobilizing fatty acids at a high rate and making the muscle cell insulin resistant, muscle has to forego glucose for fuel and use the mobilized fatty acids instead (note: this also spares protein in a carb insufficient state). A recent study on GH found that the fatty acid mobilizing effect of GH was THE key to its protein sparing effects: block the increase in fatty acids and you get the same amount of protein loss.

On that note, you should realize that studies examining predisoposition to obesity (for example, in the Pima indians) find that insulin sensitivity predicts weight gain and insulin resistance predicts weight loss or stability.

Insulin resistance develops with obesity and can be thought of as a way for the body trying to prevent further weight gain. Note that this is different in growing individuals such as children or pregnant women. More below....

To be even more accurate to what I wrote above you need to differentiate muscle insulin resistance from whole body insulin resistance. In general, the body will develop insulin resistance in this order:

liver then muscle then fat cell

There are some weird genetic exceptions but the above would be a typical progression with diet induced insulin resistance.

Now, when muscle becomes insulin resistant, this shuttles more calories to the fat cells preferentially. In that sense, localized (muscular) insulin resistance causes more fat to be gained for a given caloric load. It's negative calorie partitioning. Note that this isn't only local, there are central (brain effects) controlling these processes as well.

This makes perfect sense: if the muscle is plenty full of nutrients and there is still a surplus, they should get pushed into storage as effectively as possible. So the msucle stops accepting nutrients and the rest go to the fat cells. The best way to prevent this is not to overeat and to deplete muscular fuel stores with exercise. In modern society, we do both: eat too much and don't exercise often enough. So muscle gets full of nutrients, becomes insulin resistant, and the excess calroeis go to fat cells post haste.

But as fat cells get filled up, problems start. The fat cell starts releasing a lot of hormones such as leptin, TNf-alpha, resistin (may only be relevant in rats) and others that prevent further nutrient storage (you can also get an increase in fat cell number). Now you're developing full body insulin resistance.

Once full body insulin resistance develops (with obesity), this acts to LIMIT further weight gain. Note that insulin resistance also means higher basal levels of insulin (there are also higher levlels of leptin as you get this fat). Both insulin and leptin *should* act to signal the brain to make you stop eating but the system isn't very sensitive to that. Additionally, it serves to push nutrients towards oxidation when you diet for the reasons above.

It's interesting to note that individuals without fat cells (lipodystrophy), which mimicks full body insulin resistance are protected against weight gain. First their muscles and liver fill up with nutrients, then they develop severe hyperglycemia, hypercholesterolemia and all the rest. Individuals with severe genetic insulin resistance have the same effect occur: they don't gain weight. They get a bunch of other health problems if you overfeed them but the severe genetic insulin resistance makes it so tnutrients can't be stored in their cells.

Also consider that insulin sensitivity improves as you lose weight. And the single time you are most prone to gain wight is at the end of the diet: when you are most insulin SENSITIVE.

As above, insulin sensitivity predicts weight gain, insulin resistance (full body) weight/fat loss.

Basically insulin resistance isn't always BAD. Quite in fact, it can be adaptive.

Now, in the context of excess calories/carbs and no activity (i.e. weight gain), insulin resistance is a bad thing to have. If you have muscular insulin resistance, more calories go to fat cells. If you have ful lbody insulin resistance, excess calories either sit in the bloodsream or get stored in the wrong spots, causing cell death.

Actually, if the goal is muscle gain with limited fat gain, it'd be wonderful to have fat cells resistant to nutrient storage and locally increase muscular insulin sensitivity. This would cause preferential nutrient partitioning to muscle. The question is how to do it. I have an idea but it's not fully fleshed out. For fatter individuals who begin an exercise program, this occurs naturally which is (IMO) one reason they can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. The exercise preferentially improves muscular insulin sensitivity, the fat cells are releasing fat like nobody's business and you get calorie partitioning until the point that it all starts to balance out.

When you're dieting and not eating enough carbs (by definition, on a diet, carbs are reduced), insulin resistance is adaptive. By making muscle rely on fatty acids for fuel, glucose is spared for the brain and other tissues which require it.

Note that most of the current insulin sensitizing medications (especially the TZD drugs) cause further weight gain. Obesity docs don't care becuse they just want to see blood glucose and the rest levels go down.

As above, whole body insulin resistance develops in an effort to both limit further fat/weight gain and ensure that the body burns the fat off (sparing muscle) when you diet. This would have been adaptive in the context of our evolutionary dieting pattern, it's maladptive in our current environment."-Lyle McDonald
 
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