???? BULKING question ????

[Themachine01]

I have a slow metabolism and have no trouble putting on weight when bulking, but the past 5 years I usually get up to around 20% BF. I would like to try and keep the BF down this time around while bulking.

My question is, will wheat bread, wheat tortillas, and oatmeal instead of white breads, do the job for carbs, the protein isnt a prob.

Another thing, if I add nat PB to every meal, wont this add BF since its being taken with a good amount of carbs.

I dont care about putting on a little bit of fat, Im just trying to change it up this year and not be a fat ass while bulking.

 

[Themachine01]

there will be a little bit of test added to this diet as well, hopefully that will help keep the BF down.

 

[Themachine01]

bump

 

[MrRTTB]

just try not to eat to much carbs in the evening. Last meal I eat no carbs, even while on a bulk. This have helped a lot. I eat most of the carbs during the day and tappers down to the end of the evening, then bumping fat. I never mix fat with carbs, not to much fat with carbs anyway. Also eat lots of protein and High GI carbs post workout. Next meal medium high and the rest low carbs. Take ALA to each carb meal and start doing some light cardio if you feel the fatgain is to big. I like to bulk "clean" and I'm very strickt. I always put on to much fat before while bulking, and that is a pain in the ass because I eventually had to get rid of it. So bulk clean, lots of oatmeal, brown rice or even parboiled rice, pasta, fruits and rye bread. If you would like the carbs even lower, include some psylliumseeds in your meals.

 

[Beezers]

Keeping body fat off or limiting its accumulation is a function of caloric intak as compared to caloric needs. It does not have as much to do with various types of foods as your could eat 2000 calories of junk ffod a day and still be relatively lean simply due to a low caloric intake. You need to foccus on your caloric needs and adjust your food intake according to that. There most certainly is a place for the glycemic index to be utilized for insulin control which ultimately has a large impact on adipocytes, but again should you be consuming more calories than your body needs per day, even from low GI carbs and lean proteins, it will be stored as fat. I would avoid bread products all together, though if you do use them make sure they are WHOLE GRAIN. White bread is made from wheat just as the so called "wheat" bread is. Wheat bread is usually just food coloring whereas whole grain breads are the wheat with its germ in tact. This provides the many valuble micronutrients of the grain as well as fiber which serves to lower the GI of whole grain breads. By all means limit your carbs to low GI sources, but also pay close attention to your total caloric intake.

 

[Themachine01]

So I should stay away from all breads and pastas? Im new to this clean bulking thing. I think I might bulk clean m-f and then on sat and sun eat everything.

 

[ulltrav]

introduce some HGH, and you can get away with eating anything you want, and as much as you want, I eat four times during the night, stuff like twinkes and pop tarts, pizza. and still maintain low body fat

 

[Themachine01]

lets pretend that HGH doesnt exist for the time being. That definately would be a good idea, but its out of the old price range for me at this time.

 

[ulltrav]

dude, its only $400 to $450 per kit of 126 iu, and if lucky you can get it cheaper, Ive seen it at $350per 126 iu kit, but if not use heatmiser or clenbuterex, over the counter junk to stimulate metabolism

 

[Themachine01]

anyone else have any thoughts?

 

[Themachine01]

So I should stay away from all breads and pastas? Im new to this clean bulking thing. I think I might bulk clean m-f and then on sat and sun eat everything.

 

[emptywallet]

Keeping body fat off or limiting its accumulation is a function of caloric intak as compared to caloric needs. It does not have as much to do with various types of foods as your could eat 2000 calories of junk ffod a day and still be relatively lean simply due to a low caloric intake. You need to foccus on your caloric needs and adjust your food intake according to that. There most certainly is a place for the glycemic index to be utilized for insulin control which ultimately has a large impact on adipocytes, but again should you be consuming more calories than your body needs per day, even from low GI carbs and lean proteins, it will be stored as fat. I would avoid bread products all together, though if you do use them make sure they are WHOLE GRAIN. White bread is made from wheat just as the so called "wheat" bread is. Wheat bread is usually just food coloring whereas whole grain breads are the wheat with its germ in tact. This provides the many valuble micronutrients of the grain as well as fiber which serves to lower the GI of whole grain breads. By all means limit your carbs to low GI sources, but also pay close attention to your total caloric intake.

I have to disagree with you on the doesnt matter where calories come from thing. I mean, if someone eats 3k cals of ho ho's and chips and fattening steaks and just trash, and then I eat 3k cals of oatmeal, chicken, tuna, whole grain breads. I can almost promise I'll look better. I know you may not have been thinking that extreme, but you gotta admit, regardless of calories sometimes, the quality of the food does make a difference. Actually, if you do a search, I think MR. X or someone on the diet board put up a good long explanation of how much different 2k calories of a diet can be so much different than 2k calories of another diet.

 

[Themachine01]

anyone else have any input?

 

[eastarr69]

This is interesting.....

I have found that cutting all fat out as possible is good...of course we all need some fat intake also, unless you are overweight and then you dont need any...I find that for my bulking cycle, I cram in the carbs all day and even during a workout and it is not to crazy to see some of the pros in my gym chowing on a waffle with some syrup during the day while training...the interesting part about carbs, are the ones of sugar, you can drink a ab xxl drink before you go to bed which has 0 carbs of/from sugar, and not gain an ounce of fat and that some bitch has like 400 grams in the bottle....and try eating 468 g of carbs from ho-ho's, onee they are all sugar and you would have to eat the whole box, and I guarantee you you will be fat as a walrus...wheat bread and wheat anything and oatmeal, will be better food for you to consume since they are less crappy carbs, but if you eat during the day and are active, it wont matter much since you probably burn it all up. You must keep an eye on your fat intake, which is comprised of your saturated fats and your unsaturated fats. most guys when bulking, dont watch that and that is what contributes to probably 5% of the 20% you say you gain....bulking cycle does not necessarily mean eating whatever....I eat well all week and cheat on Saturday....breads wont kill you and oasta, I saty away from, substitute some brown rice for your pasta with meals...try mixing some tuna in with you rice, drain the water out the can first and mix in some hony...as rediculous as it sounds, it is quite scrumptous....

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[Shinobi]

Im on a bulking cycle right now...using 1g test enanthate and 600mg EQ + bromo and T3
Bromo is helping a lot with cravings although even without bromo I always controled my cravings really well. I´ve been eating super clean, I even think that Im eating a way too clean! I dont know how much it cost the pound of ground meat in others states but in Minessota I can get 80% lean ground meat for 0,99$ per pound... Some people say that 80% is good but others say that 80% has some fat on it and it does! Try to reduce Fat in Cooked Ground Beef Crumbles by Rinsing and Draining, here is the website that made me safe tons of $ per week at the supermarket http://www.cattlemanscollection.com/inforfgb.htm
I like to workout between 1PM or 3PM so my first 2 meals of the day has carbs on it. The 2 meals are the same: 2/3 of lactaid fat free milk, 2 servings of oatmeal and 2 scoops of Isopure Zero carb. I try to hit the gym 1 hour after my second meal. When I finish my workout I drink a 75g malto and 35g protein shake and after 1 hour I eat 100gr of sweet potato plus lean ground meat with veggies. The rest of the day my meals has no carbs... Before bed I eat "Night Formula" by Protein Factory with a tblsp of natty PB.
My favourite meal is spinach, brocholi, ground meat/salmon and sweet potato
Sometimes I like to add fat free cottage cheese but the sodium in cottage cheese is too high! Im taking 1/2 Femara ED, drinking tons of water but I still think that Im retaining a little bit of water but I think thats normal with test enanthate. Its my first time using test enanthate but from what I read before starting my cycle is that "The, rapid and strong weight gain is combined with distinct water reten-tion since a retention of electrolytes and water occurs...A pleasant effect is that the enormous strength gain goes hand in hand with the water retention." I wish I could know what is fat and what is water but Im eating so clean and in the right time that I asume is all water. Im getting stronger and stronge everyday! Its amazing! In the beggining of my cycle I didnt know what to take: sus or enanthate and I chose enanthate and Im VERY happy! Next cycle I will try test cyp.

 

[Themachine01]

Shinobi, I have had great results from sus and enanthate. The best results to date came from a cycle of Omnas @ 500mg/wk for 10 weeks. So far I am not too pleased with the brovel T-200, which is test enanthate. Im taking 800mg/wk, the highest Ive ever went with test, in my 7th week, and Im not seeing the gains Im used to seeing. I dont want to start pigging out just to get my gains up, thats why Im trying to get my diet right.

 

[Shinobi]

I dont know how good its your test enanthate but mine is top quality... Testoviron Depot 250 made by Schering Portugal. The higher I went wuth test is 1gr. I like sus too but Testoviron is giving me more strenght and more water retention than sus! I will use sus from now on just to bridge between cycles and thats it. The test enanthate kicked in only after exactly 2 weeks.
If u cant handle the water retention form enanthate u better go with sus but everything is a moment after 10 days off enanthate the water goes away

 

[B-legit]

oatmeal is a great tool for "clean bulking" IMO.
You can still gain solid weight with eating tons of oatmeal. Put a cup and a half in a large cup. Add water/microwave. Put in 2-3 scoops of protein, and wham--muscle gain.