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xxbignipperxx

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I finished my first cycle and gained a healthy 25lbs and kept 17lbs of it. It was a 10 weeker consisting of 1-6 50mg Dbol, and 1-10 500mg Sustanon. I finished with PCT of Clomid and was off for about 11 weeks. Now here is the problem...I started a 2nd cycle consisting of 1-5 50mg Dbol, 1-10 500mg Test Enanthate, and 400mg EQ. I ended this cycle stronger, but I gained zero lbs with a small (read: SMALL) reduction in bodyfat.

My diet, training, and rest periods did not change much from 1st cycle to 2nd cycle. Is it possible that my receptors are still burnt from the first cycle? I did time on = time off. I will admit during second cycle I battled depression (mid cycle started taking Paxil 25mg/day), and my diet wasn't as great as it could have been. But is it possible that I gained ZERO lbs I did gain some strength, but I could have done that naturally working out for 10 weeks. I always maintained at least 3-4 meals with no less the 3 shakes a day. Now I am 3 weeks off my second cycle and feeling pretty sore in the gym, losing some water, and am losing strength. Not only did I gain no weight, but now I am experiencing the come off. I am still debating if I even should run clomid. I am currently taking "unleashed" and "post cycle" as herbal remedies.

Bro's...is something wrong with my body? Or could the gear been bunk? The test and eq are both made by QV, and it has all the holograms and they were from a legitimate source. The dbol's were loeffler 25mgs. I am stumped....I don't know how a 10 weeker did nothing for me. Please help out a bro here....this is really depressing.

Here's a pic of end of first cycle.

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Here's a pic of second cycle done.
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First cycle I peaked at 187lbs and stayed at 182. I'm about 5' 9" maybe a tad shorter. Second cycle I ended at 180. :confused:
 
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rvd_brock said:
Wow, no clue. Could have been bunk gear. Bump for more responses.
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The only thing that leaves me wondering is, if it was bunk gear then I should not be feeling a come down. I lifted chest the other day, and half way through my workout I got sore. It was just a normal chest routine, and now 2 days later, my chest feels like I got hit by a truck. I know I have lost strength, shouldn't happen if it's bunk gear. FAWK!
 
Hey how much were you eating? I know you said 3-4 meals, but maybe, just maybe you werent eating enough. Also what was your training like? Very strange situation though, should'nt happen unless in fact your gear was bunk, or maybe horrible underdosed.
 
Izzman said:
Hey how much were you eating? I know you said 3-4 meals, but maybe, just maybe you werent eating enough. Also what was your training like? Very strange situation though, should'nt happen unless in fact your gear was bunk, or maybe horrible underdosed.
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That 3-4 meals is at a MINIMUM. Training I have on my spreadsheet with my breakdown. I usually split my work out up different ways each week. It's never consistent. But to get an idea I usually do Chest, Back, Shoulders & Traps, Tri's Bi's Legs. But sometimes I switch it up. I am never in the gym less then 4 times and never more then 6 times. I train for about 1 hour to 1 and a half. Second cycle I even cut the cardio! I really hope the gear is bunk, because after doing a 10 weeker and seeing no results, it destroyed my ego in half. :(
 
Damn man, I know how it must feel to have your ego shattered, I am in the middle of my 1st cycle and thankfuly the weight on the scale has progressively increased. I hope it continues to increase for we all take a risk doing this......bunk gear and getting scammed is all part of the game. Bump for others to see.
 
I suspect diet it the culprit. If you trust your source -- and you gear checks out.....

What are the lot numbers on the QV stuff?

Bump for bros.
 
QV Enanthate QVE 009, 09 2005
QV EQ QVB 006, 08 2005

I still should have gained something...not too mention i got NO pumps from the DBOL.
 
Tell us what your diet looked like... you weren't doing a keto diet were you?

but there is 1 thing, if you consumed enough calories (for some nutrients, you have to consume even more to gain) but you will gain mass, so if you aren't gaining mass whether it be fat or muscle (can be controlled to a certain extent), then quite simply it's not enough calories to gain mass...

are you still eating the same way as you were before you gained the 17 pounds? if so that could be the problem.. takes time to adjust sometimes..
 
You'd be suprised at how many people think they're eating enough and they're simply not.....Like for instance you said you were eating a minimum of 3-4 meals, lets say you were eating 7 meals, were you aware pf the macro nutrient ratios and the calorie totals? I eat 7 meals a day whether I am cutting or bulking, the only difference being that during bulking I eat well over 3000 cals daily with over 300g of protein versus the 1700-2000 cals I consume during cutting. When you said you peaked during your first cycle, maybe you didn't realize that you needed to up your calories, adding small things like a TBSP of olive oil to shakes or meals would have done wonders for adding extra cals.
When on cycle, we need to up our protein considerably, think about it, we workout harder, longer, and more intensely so we need more protein than normal to recuperate and grow. Other than that, it could only have been the gear.
 
Maybe your depression had something to do with it. Being in a depressed state screws with your hormone levels and can substantially raise your cortisol levels. That combined with diet problems could explain your lack of gains.
 
d bol loefler pink tabs bunk. white tabs weak as hell

qv ent last go around shit with no gains

qv eq has always been good though when i was on no pain and now i hear there is pain so ???

my guess absed on former use of qv is all bunk
 
had to be bunk gear, no other explination. You could have gotten something with a low dose, maybe 25mg/ml...just enough to shut you down.
 
The dbol could have been real, it could be from his diet and training, or it could simply be placebo.
 
bseemba2001 said:
I am confused; you said your strength went up? How could it be bunk gear if you gained strength?
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Well...working out for 10 weeks any normal person should gain strength. Otherwise I am wasting my time in the gym don't you think?
 
did you get any sides at all? acne, test shrinkage, losing hair, etc? you'd assume 500mg a week of enan & 50mg dbol a day would do something to your balls and hair.
 
You need to eat every 2-3 hours, eating 5-6 meals a day MINIMUM... also time on=time off is not enough IMO. The longer you take off and train naturally before your next cycle the better gains you will get when you are "on" again. For example, you do your 10 week cycle and instead of going back on in another 10 weeks which is 2 and half months you can do another cycle 6 months later and get better gains
 
Thats fucked bro. If your training is in check, you are getting plenty of rest, and your gear is real ... then it could ONLY be one thing ... diet. I dont really buy the whole idea of "non-responders", ... well I should say ... i think that they are pretty rare when everything else is in check.

I am going to say that your gear is garbage! Maybe your source dosent even know. 5 weeks of dbol at 50mgs/day??? and no gains in size. Something is very wrong there bro. You should be gaining off of half that dose at 25mgs/day. I would question who your source is.

Mavy
 
How many years have you been working out? Also if you have depression bad enough that you feel you need to take paxil then honestly you should probably not be doing gear until you get that worked out first. You may not be fully into everything (eating, sleep, intense workouts, recovery) that is needed for using AAS. Just an observation...
 
Mavy said:
Thats fucked bro. If your training is in check, you are getting plenty of rest, and your gear is real ... then it could ONLY be one thing ... diet. I dont really buy the whole idea of "non-responders", ... well I should say ... i think that they are pretty rare when everything else is in check.

I am going to say that your gear is garbage! Maybe your source dosent even know. 5 weeks of dbol at 50mgs/day??? and no gains in size. Something is very wrong there bro. You should be gaining off of half that dose at 25mgs/day. I would question who your source is.

Mavy
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I know there was something in that gear...because I'm shut down right now! I just woke up with no woody...:( ...and the more I look in the mirror, the softer I look, less muscle fullness too. I'm really fuckin pissed that 10 weeks of my time, training, and money spent on supplements has been a waste...shit it's not even that...it's the part where everything is going backwards now. Get on a bunk cycle, and come off and lose more weight then you started with. Fawk this...gotta get back in the gym and beat this bullshit.
 
nordstrom said:
did you get any sides at all? acne, test shrinkage, losing hair, etc? you'd assume 500mg a week of enan & 50mg dbol a day would do something to your balls and hair.
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A bit of acne...but nothing too bad, but I was also on Minocycline this cycle. First cycle my forehead looked like sandpaper lol. Yep, balls are shrunken, I don't lose hair on cycle. Not prone to it.
 
Do you even work out your back? No offense but with your developement, you shouldn't be taking gear. A second cycle with 900mg in inj and orals as well? I don't think your problem is bunk gear, or anti depressants messing with you. I think your problem is with your training or nutrition. Perhaps both. Post up your routine and in detail what you eat.

Once you post that, perhaps everyone could help you better. You would be amazed how many people think they are eating enough to grow, when they really aren't. Or sometimes people think they are training well, and are doing way too much. Don't be too depressed about this cycle. Read up all you can, and when you are ready for it next time around, you will have all the proper tools.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Do you even work out your back? No offense but with your developement, you shouldn't be taking gear. A second cycle with 900mg in inj and orals as well? I don't think your problem is bunk gear, or anti depressants messing with you. I think your problem is with your training or nutrition. Perhaps both. Post up your routine and in detail what you eat.

Once you post that, perhaps everyone could help you better. You would be amazed how many people think they are eating enough to grow, when they really aren't. Or sometimes people think they are training well, and are doing way too much. Don't be too depressed about this cycle. Read up all you can, and when you are ready for it next time around, you will have all the proper tools.
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I used to be 155lbs ripped...then got up to 170 naturally. I'm a hard gainer...I have my diet, training routine, and gear schedule all on spreadsheet. I know my training is in check and I know that although I could eat more, I still should have gained SOME weight. Keep in mind I gained 25lbs on my first cycle...so I know how to EAT. I can send you the spreadsheet if you leave an email...
 
Even if diet was not in check, you should have gained weight in the form of edema from the dbol and test. Really. Your gear was bunk man, face it and move on. That much gear would cause at least some water retention even if you didn't touch a weight.
 
you're talking to the hard-gainer of all hard-gainers here....struggled for years to get my weight up 130 to 155, back down to 145, up to 175, back down to 155, finally up to 195 lean and staying here because i learned to train and eat. it's been a long 5 year journey and haven't touched the gear yet. How long's it been for you?
 
Good for you UD.
 
UD, it does sound like you know what works for you and what doesn't.

So my biggest question is, what is your training volume/frequency?
 
Anakin said:
UD, it does sound like you know what works for you and what doesn't.

So my biggest question is, what is your training volume/frequency?
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Honestly...i find that the biggest benefit to my training is realizing when it is getting stale...in other words my volume and frequency range from one extreme to another. I've used the HST which was incredible, a 5 x 5 similar to needsize's concepts, and anything from regular 5-7 sets per body part of 5-15 reps.
Not sure if many will agree with my logic behind this but i strongly believe muscle has a hard time distinguishing between 8 or ten reps...so my theory is that once i feel the intensity of my workouts decreasing I will switch it up, never stick to one type of routine for too long. The main contributors to muscle growth are 1. Intensity 2. Variation. In other words I try everything for about 2 months at a time, and try to shock the muscle by doing something completely different and maintaining HIGH intensity. I try and stick to core exercise though such as squats, close grip benches, deadlifts etc no matter what routine i choose.
 
I just finished up my first cycle. The whole thing was rushed and a little haphazard. But I got good results. Next cycle will start beginning of next year. Everything will be tested. I want to know exactly what I am putting in my body and how much of it. This way the fuckin guess work is taken out of the equation. Forget reputable sources and holograms, I want to see a lab report regardless. The sad thing is that in some cases the lab tests is more than the products. But to me it will be worth it.
 
LOL, no I wasn't being sarcastic.
 
LOL, man I was waiting for someone to make a comment on his pics. I can't believe it took so long.......... Although I might agree with what was stated. No offense bro but your bod type doesn't look like a hard gainer. Look too soft for that. Anyway, I don't think his pics has anything to do with his question. The gear must be fake. You should've at least put on a few lbs of water weight. BTW you can put weight on with gear even if you don't train.............. Don't know that from experience just read a lot of medical journals on that. Thats one reason why they produce aas in the first place isn't it?????????
 
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