mine is droping big time. im going to post before and after pics soon. but i would say btween 12 and 15 is healthy of course others will say 2 but i think health wise that the 12 to 15 is about right. at leased in my taste. foe men anyway. woman are higher due to different body composition. but i like some meat on the bones. not too much but i dont like skinny mini's.