Blood work done feedback appreciated

[jcam222]

Well after about a year of reading on this board I am going to try my first cycle. In preparation I decided the advice to get some blood work done was a good one. Here are a few of the results. (42 year old male training for a year now, I know its a little early to juice but I feel its the right time at my age, if I were younger I would train another year or so natty first)

serum test - 631
free test 9.9 ( seems low end if range is 6.8 to 21
HDL - 72 (apparently superb)
VLDL - 7
LDL - 74

TSH - 1.167 (.35 to 5.5 range)

Now the questions lol:

Is that free test pretty low even if I am 42? If so what are the solutions? I hear Proviron but am concerned with the MPB possibiltiy. Also concerend about needing to purchase it long term. Have also heard Avena and Maca can help...anyone get real results from them? What are the possible physical conditions that cause lowered free test? This is probably why my libido is shit?

It appears as though my lipid panel is excellent. How bad will my Var (50mgED) /EQ(400/week) cycle screw that up? I will be doing salmon oils and flax before , during and pct. How low will it go probably and how long to get back up? Other things recommended to help? I will also be using Nolva pct and HCG 500IU weekly throughout.

Any thoughts on the TSH score? I wanted free T3 and T4 but couldnt get the doc to do them.

Liver values all normal.

Sorry about the long post just trying to continue learning and this place rocks for that.

 

[jcam222]

As I continue to research found this link......thought maybe some would find it interesting although maybe very basic info for most of you.

http://www.health-marketplace.com/Male-Hormone-Protocol.htm
looks like I need to get estradiol levels checked as well lol........damn I need to find a more cooperative doc

 

[jcam222]

/bump

any thoughts at all on the test results or the questions......would definatley at least appreciate comments on the free test. I am convinced this is effecting my quality of life.

 

[DrJMW]

Well after about a year of reading on this board I am going to try my first cycle. In preparation I decided the advice to get some blood work done was a good one. Here are a few of the results. (42 year old male training for a year now, I know its a little early to juice but I feel its the right time at my age, if I were younger I would train another year or so natty first)

serum test - 631
free test 9.9 ( seems low end if range is 6.8 to 21
HDL - 72 (apparently superb)
VLDL - 7
LDL - 74

TSH - 1.167 (.35 to 5.5 range)

I NEED TO SEE YOUR FREE & WEAKLY BOUND (BIOAVAILABLE) READING AS WELL. I WOULD HAVE ORDERED: TOTAL TEST, FREE TEST, AND FREE AND WEAKLY BOUND. JUST GIVEN THE RESULTS I SEE, YOU WOULD DO WELL WITH A LOW-DOSE, EIGHT WEEK CYCLE (200-300MG WEEKLY TOTAL AAS WITH APPORPRIATE ANCILLARIES). ALSO, YOU WILL NEED TO DO A PROPER EIGHT-WEEK RECOVERY CYCLE (USING HCG AND NOLVADEX--I HAVE POSTED THIS RECOVERY CYCLE AD NAUSEUM HERE). YOUR LDL:HDL RATIO IS EXCELLENT (BELOW 3 IS NORMAL). THE TSH READING IS PRETTY USELESS. I WOULD HAVE ORDERED FREE T4 AND FREE T3. FREE T3 IS THE ACTIVE FORM OF THE HORMONE. YOU SHOULD HAVE CHECKED YOUR ESTRADIOL AND PROLACTIN LEVELS. I ALSO WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT CORTISOL, LH, AND FSH.

Now the questions lol:

Is that free test pretty low even if I am 42? If so what are the solutions? I hear Proviron but am concerned with the MPB possibiltiy. Also concerend about needing to purchase it long term. Have also heard Avena and Maca can help...anyone get real results from them? What are the possible physical conditions that cause lowered free test? This is probably why my libido is shit?

JUST BY DOING A TESTOSTERONE CYCLE, YOU WILL INCREASE YOUR FREE TESTOS. IF YOU USE OTHER AAS, YOU WILL OBVIOUSLY SUPPRESS YOUR NATURAL TESTOS LEVELS.

It appears as though my lipid panel is excellent. How bad will my Var (50mgED) /EQ(400/week) cycle screw that up?

BAD. DOSING AND CHOICE OF MEDS IS NOT IDEAL. WHY NOT STACK TESTOS (200MG WEEKLY) WITH VAR (25MG DAILY) OR EVEN TESTOS 200MG/DECA 200MG OR EVEN DECA 200MG/OX 25MG DAILY.

I will be doing salmon oils and flax before , during and pct. How low will it go probably and how long to get back up? Other things recommended to help? I will also be using Nolva pct and HCG 500IU weekly throughout.

IF USING HCG THROUGHOUT, THEN USE 250-500U OF HCG, IM, MONDAY, WED, FRI, AND 20MG NOLVA DAILY. THEN CONTINUE NOLVA INTO THE PCT FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS. YOU MAY NEED TO DO HCG AGAIN IF TESTES ARE STILL SHRUNKEN.

 

[jcam222]

Thank you much for your reply doc. I may redo all of the testing via some of the online saliva based tests. While I understand that the test cycle would raise my test and free test during cycle I am wondering about a more long term solution for the lowered free test. I do want to do a cycle for lean mass but alos want to address the long term lowered libido etc issues of naturally low free test. Any thoughts on that?

Regarding the test I really hesitate to cycle test due to my extreme existring MPB issues. I also wanted something that gained very maintainable lean mass. My research so far had led me to believe EQ would be the ticket. I was afraid of deca only because of further reduction of a practically non existent libido. Maybe I should try NPP for six weeks with the var for 10 total with appropriate anti e and hcg during and after cycle?

LOL most of all though I want to address the ongoing low free test issue. I am way to damn young and have worked way to hard over the last year (260 28% bf to 185 14%bf) to look good to deal with low libido fatigue etc. Any further comments truly appraeciated.

btw i read if serum test is reasonalbe (which I think mine is in somewhat normal although not high) and free was very low that its a good possibility that estradiol is >30 and that .5 mg arimidex twice weekly would make a significant impact on free test. Wish my damn doctor had respected my wishes and tested for that as well as most of the other things I wanted him to test that he denied.

 

[Triple J]

are you taking anything for the MPB? cause finasteride will reduce DHT which will contribute to estrogen increase and lower free T

 

[jcam222]

I quit taking Propecia about two months ago for that very reason. Anyone know the bounce back time from it? I have had this issue for I believe quite a bit longer than the Propecia I think.....lol hard to rmemeber actually when I started taking it but the reduced libido has been about 1 and a half years.