Blood Test shows Liver values boderline high..Should I wait to cycle?

[str8cubano]

came back from the doctor, and liver values are boderline high, but slightly improved. I have done a total of 3 winstrol cycles, and a test dbol Last year. Arround 6 months ago i finished a test /winstrol cycle, and my winstrol cycles never exceeded 6-8 weeks at 50mg/day. Well I was about to start my cycle of dbol and test, but have that fear of liver values going off the roof. Off cycle i drink moderately on the weekends, and maybe the day i took bloodwork I had drank the night before and that could have possibly shown up. What would you guys suggest, other than ALA at 600mg/day and milk thistle at 1200mg/day?

IS it easy to get liver back to 100%, or it takes time?

 

[argent]

did you take any tylenol recently?

 

[str8cubano]

Possibly..yes why?

 

[argent]

Those have been shown to raise liver values. It could be, at the very least, contributing to your levels IMO.

 

[Seth28]

I would definately hold off on any dbol, and yes Tylenol can raise values but NOT in normal dosages. As far as the ALT, AST being high, the damage has been done. The damage that has taken place does not go away,,,, the reason they drop back down is that the cells that have been damaged, release the enzymes, and the body metabolizes them again, the liver does NOT regenerate and the reason people are fine even with elevated liver studies is that the liver has a HUGE reserve capacity to function. So that being said, the damage is done and it can happen again on future orals, the question is "how much cummulative damage can your liver endure before actual liver Function is disrupte?"

Good luck
Seth

 

[str8cubano]

thanks for info..N E one else?

 

[manny78]

I would stay away from any 17aa product. Better safe than sorry.

 

[MR Pink]

What did your doc test? AST and ALT are always elevated in bodybuilders because of the weighttraining!

 

[Singleton]

Exercise raises liver enzymes? Can you elaborate on that?

 

[manny78]

Exercise raises liver enzymes? Can you elaborate on that?

Buling and exercises can elevate liver enzymes but in this case, since we dont know for sure I wouldnt take any chance. Fukkenshredded had almost liver failure and took normal winny dosages.

 

[MR Pink]

yeah manny is right....better be safe than sorry.....but we don't know what test his doc did if he posts his tests and his results it becomes alot clearer

 

[junk]

came back from the doctor, and liver values are boderline high, but slightly improved. I have done a total of 3 winstrol cycles, and a test dbol Last year. Arround 6 months ago i finished a test /winstrol cycle, and my winstrol cycles never exceeded 6-8 weeks at 50mg/day. Well I was about to start my cycle of dbol and test, but have that fear of liver values going off the roof. Off cycle i drink moderately on the weekends, and maybe the day i took bloodwork I had drank the night before and that could have possibly shown up. What would you guys suggest, other than ALA at 600mg/day and milk thistle at 1200mg/day?

IS it easy to get liver back to 100%, or it takes time?

One of the best thing you can do for your live is go to the afstore and get yourself Tyler's Liver Detox. Take 2 capsules x 3 times a day.

That said, did you also check GGT? or just GPT and GOT ?
I was told GGT is more liver specific than do GPT and GOT which
can more easily be influenced by exercise.

 

[str8cubano]

actually, this doc didn't write down any values at all...he just said it was high...i know i know, im gonig to call him up and ask him to specify

 

[CanadianBro]

1. Ask your Doctor for the specifics.

2. It probably was not the Tylenol or the Alcohol.

3. I would bet that your past year of cycling is the cause.

It is not unusual for the liver to take 2 (even 3) times as long to recover as the rest of the body.

Especially after the amount of gear you took last year.

I would DEFINITELY give it more time and allow the liver to return to normal levels for AT LEAST 30 days before beginning another cycle.

You may not have the patience now but your virtal organ will thank me later.

I see too many athletes risking their health by doing too much gear.

I never recommend an athlete do more than 2 cycles per year (unless they compete). Your body simply will not recover properly if you do more.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Uh...the liver does regenerate.

Your values can return to normal.

My enzymes were close to 3000 when my liver shut down, and my kidneys were also 90% damaged. Nephronic damage. And everything returned to normal within a month. I was taking GHB daily when it all returned to normal.

And don't kid yourself about it being tylenol and alcohol.

It's the winny and the D-bol.

 

[CanadianBro]

Correct FS.

The values CAN and will return to normal.
However, the problem is many make the
mistake of thinking this happens a lot
sooner than it does.

I too experienced partial liver failure 4
years ago and this was while I was
extremely cautious.

As I said before, the health of your organs
is NOT to be take lightly.

 

[Snarf]

Just because your liver values return to normal after being elevated does not mean that the damage has 'regenerated'. The previous post was correct that the liver has a lot of overcapapacity, but the values returning to normal just means that no current damage is taking place. However, the damage can be cumulative, and you will eventually destroy the extra capacity and then your hepatic function will be compromised or you could end up with drug induced hepatotoxicity.

In most cases, you will not see elevated liver enzymes with Tylenol until you hit about 4,000mg per day and it usually requires a prolonged exposure. If you were drinking and took some tylenol (never a good idea) you could get a transient bump. If you feel that this might be the situation, then get retested, although I doubt this is it.

You can try some of herbal hocus pocus mentioned, but basically your liver needs time to normalize (sorry if I offended any herbal/vitamin/mineral liver detox users).

Also, have you been tested for Hep C? Have you ever had any constitutional symptoms associated with your elevated liver enzymes? These are important questions to answer.

Hope this helps.

 

[str8cubano]

Thanks for info guys...well when i Said i did 3 winstrol cycles...i meant since 2001. A total of 3, 1 cycle once a year. Last year was the only year that i started in janurary with test/dbol, and then in July, did a test/winstrol (winstrol was for only 6 weeks at 50mg/day). I have been off gear for a good 6 months, but on some weekend occasions i do have some drinks here and there. I won't say i drink every wekkend, but at least 2 weekends out of the month. And nope no hepatits C. Still haven't gotten in contact with the doc, but i will post excatly what he tells me tomrmow.

 

[posthuman]

Uh...the liver does regenerate.

Your values can return to normal.

My enzymes were close to 3000 when my liver shut down, and my kidneys were also 90% damaged. Nephronic damage. And everything returned to normal within a month. I was taking GHB daily when it all returned to normal.

And don't kid yourself about it being tylenol and alcohol.

It's the winny and the D-bol.

Just curious if you did any orals after that incident?

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Did winny again, once without any increase in levels whatsoever., and once with some slight increases.

Both times I used tylers Liver Detox. The increases that did occur were mild.

I have also used a great deal of drugs that are hepatotoxic. I have not had any elevated enzymes in any of my regular blood tests.

I do happen to believe that GHB improves liver and kidney function, and blood tests have borne this out.

I'm gonna give winny one more try for six weeks. The reason is that it works quickly, and the changes stick around a while after stopping.

With fina, I look like a robot while on and then return to normal pretty quickly afterward, even with proper training and diet.

Okay, not all the way to normal, but that hard look vanishes even though much of the strength stays.

With winny, the hardness is long lasting in me. Don't know why, but it is.

 

[junk]

My enzymes were close to 3000 when my liver shut down, and my kidneys were also 90% damaged. Nephronic damage. And everything returned to normal within a month. I was taking GHB daily when it all returned to normal.

And don't kid yourself about it being tylenol and alcohol.

It's the winny and the D-bol.

3000 ??

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Over 2000, sorry I cannot retrieve the panel. I'll make an effort, though.

Total numbers, comprehensive.

Yes, they were high.

 

[nadr7891]

last time i had full blood tests done (after two cycles of winny and test) my doctor told me some liever enzymes were "slightly" raised, but that they didn't generally start worrying about these things until they were 4-5 times the normal values. if i remember correctly mine were like supposed to be a high of 50 and they were like 57. he also mentioned Tylenol and that taking it recently could have been enough to show those slightly elevated values. According to him (and my gf who is a nurse) Tylenol (acetaminophen) is one of the hardest compounds on your liver in existence. so if you're reading this, take Alleve (Naproxen) instead. it works better, anyway. don't take Tylenol, it sucks for your liver.

Nadr

 

[wilson6]

SGOT or SGPT (AST or ALT) can run into the low 100's as a function of heavy lifting. Take a couple of weeks off from lifting and have them checked again. If they are still elevated, then it is probably due to prior c-17 aa AAS use. If they drop considerably, then it is the eccentric damage that is elevating them.

W6

 

[str8cubano]

Alright guys...here are my values: AST is 43, and ALT is 52. When I Started Dbol last year, and i took bloodwork, my AST was at 68. So I have improved, but the doc said 40 for AST was borderline normal . Well my freind was in the hospital with hepatitis C with values of 10, 000. It's a mircale he's still alive. ...but anways, what do you guys think of my values..43, and 52?

 

[Dial_tone]

Alright guys...here are my values: AST is 43, and ALT is 52. When I Started Dbol last year, and i took bloodwork, my AST was at 68. So I have improved, but the doc said 40 for AST was borderline normal . Well my freind was in the hospital with hepatitis C with values of 10, 000. It's a mircale he's still alive. ...but anways, what do you guys think of my values..43, and 52?

If your doctor says they're borderline high what do you expect us internet geniuses to say?