BINGE EATING DISORDER from dieting !!

[fitwizard]

HELP..

I've been dieting for a a week or two too much. Being on low cals 12 x lb bodyweight, doing 45-60 min cardio sessions every morning, weight training 3 times a week and using eca anc clen. I've been doing it for about two months. I've went nicely to 9% BF and looked really good. However, things started messing around in my mind. The kind mods down here who got a deep and thorough explaination of my problem most assumed it's a Brain Chemical Imbalanace issue. That is an organic issue. So will power has little to do with it if any. It's not much controllable. Hard to explain, but it's like a heavy heroin user that can't just 'stop', he needs a medical help because it's an organic issue.

I'm in the bodybuilding game for a lot of years, been strict ever since with no eating problems whatsoever and never bothered not eating shitty stuff.

I started having this extreme craving for carbs and fat (mostly sweets and chocolates) that as I said earlies is uncontrollable. I know it sounds weird! Believe me. If someone would tell me what I am trying to explain just two months ago, I would go and tell him something like : "Get over it, who the hell are you trying to cheat?? Yourself??? Just eat right damn it". That's exactly like telling an Anorectic girl that she's an idiot if she thinks she's fat. But it's true! For her she IS fat. She is not lying! It's a chemical problem NOT a mental issue byitself! I've had days where I could eat fucking 15,000 cals a day of shit (no kiddin! it's in the medical literature! 5,000-15,000 in one sitting !!!).
I'm much more moderate at the moment though. Now I can come down to 7000 cals a day! But fat is accumulating like hell. Any bro that went down to 8% and went up back to 14% would understand what I am talking about.

Needless to say I stopped the diet about a week and half ago.

I feel depressed. Maybe that's part of the problem I'm eating that shit. A serotonin issue, a Tryptophan issue. Lake of enzymes to break it down.. God knows. But knowing myself so well, being a very dedicated and the 'chief' of self control persons, I know I feel this thing is beyond a mental issue.

Don't suggest going to a shrink either, they think Bodybuilding is a desease by itself(n/k) I went once to a shrink who though it's a mental problem that I want to go past 9% to 7%bf. But his fucking belly and fatass lying on his counch were apparently considered 'normal' in social sciences. crap.

To cut a long story short, I've orederd supplements that are not available in my country. I should be getting them soon. Would like to here your comments. God some good coments from mods about them. I don't know if I should just 'shoot in all directions' and take them all together or try one at a time to help recover from this mess slowly. I know I am getting a little better everyday.

I've read this thread by Curch:link to church thread

And it was SO FUCKING me!! It was so true that I though I had written it in the first place!! Weird! Before reading this thread I though I was one of a kind. These binges that I'm talking about seem similar to church's. 8000 cals in one sitting are not uncommon.

Reading about my problem of eating disorder and deep depression (two are linked). Which one of these supplements would you try first:

5-HTP
Inositol
7-KETO DHEA

Thanks and god bless

 

[PwB]

do a search on Leptin, that is where your answers will be.

 

[Judah Bauer]

sounds like this dude got bigger problems than leptin. Look up the book "The Adonis Complex". Some of its bullshit, but some will be helpful.

 

[HANSEL]

Restrictive diet for long periods causes this man. I went on a year long cut once and eventually came off it with a 2-3week long binge fest. Eventually I started to crave junkfood less and felt ok to start a clean diet again. Every evening after all that food I would be pissed at myself for having done that and vowed no more, but the next day it was happening again with no control.

This is a total psychological issue, when people are starved and or restricted the body's defense is make you voraciously eat and eat. Search and read up on the Minnesota Starvation diet studies done in like the 30's or 50's or something. Men who had no previous intrest in food/cooking/cooking utensils became fascinated with them and when they were then giving free access to a pantry of food again a large number had no control over themselves and would eat until physically uncomfortable. Some were able to recover, some became chefs, some reported these feelings of loss of control never totally subsiding.

Its rough man, and its from trying to cut down too far, too fast.

I dont think OTC meds are going to be of that much assistance, but If they are let us all know. I also dont think thats the answer, good psych help is probably the best answer, that and keep yourself busy. Have hobbies other than BB'ng and dieting, get a job, take more classes anything. It helps.

Be strong man, Others have been there.

 

[HANSEL]

Also, I think its best to only Diet for 3-6weeks at a time then take a week or two off and eat maintenance for a while then cut again if you still feel its necessary.

 

[crunch1]

dude i have been there--same story

7%-i dont even fuckin know

i had love handles, i could not fit in my jeans, it was depressing, so i would just eat more.

at my highest i was 214, when i was 175 @ 7%
i got my shit under control, im now 180 and very near my goal, however i have stubborn fat left from it.
my problem came from dieting as well...i still have one cheat day where i take down about 5000 cals in a sitting and i feel guilty as fuck the next day.
all i can say is read all you can about that shit, i have no other advice. everyone can tell you to NOT diet and not cut or to have carbs, or to go keto, but i found that none of that shit worked for me. i kept dieting and had patience and FINALLY im back to where i wanna be, it sucked. pm me i can try to help you more.

 

[fitwizard]

Karma for Hansel and Church.. Any help is appreciated. Even just talking about it makes it better.

Today I had one binge, but it wasn't that extreme. Maybe like only 1500-1700 cals.. And the rest of the day was perfect.

I think I am recovering slowly from that shit. But keeps me sane, is that I've started a huge bulking cycle a week ago (also to help me combat this shit), and the thing that I can still hardly see the abs makes me feel ok. I mean I've not reached 17% or something. I think overall I went from 9% to 14%. That's not that bad, and I plan to cut it down following the bulking cycle.

Thanks a lot for the encourangement. I will however try the supplement and tell you how was it .

 

[abc 1]

if you have such psychological problems and a body image disorder, why are you juicing?

if by bulking cycle you mean a bulk diet, i apologize for the incorrect assumption.

if not, what are you doing even thinking of cycling? i would get my head under control before i take a cycle. you think binging when your cycling is good? i'm sure sharp insulin spikes are good when your lipid profiles and blood pressure are all f'ed up from the androgens in your system. sounds really good to me.

my advice is figure out what your problem is, then when it is correct, start cycling. starting a cycle thinking that will help you out is reckless and irresponsible.

a body cannot be healthy if the mind is not. sounds gay, but it's more true than you think.

it wouldn't surprise me if in 12 weeks or so your on here repeating this same post with alittle addition, "i was binging and the estrogenic fat gain is so bad and now i binge to feel better about the binging i did before". this is in no way a flame, so don't come back thinking it is. i read you last post from a month or so ago and now i'm reading the same thing again. get your situation in order before cycling so you do less harm than your about to do.

 

[OXANDRIN]

that happens to me all the time. i think anyone who diets has these binges.... my problem was at night. i could eat perfect all day. infact i never have anything bad until at night.


so what i started doing was knocking myself out after my last meal. 2 ambien and 3 ml of 1,4 BD. wake up not even hungry. but every 3-4 days or so i'll let myself binge. but on like good stuff. 4 myoplex low carb shakes with all natural PB. or 2 cups oatmeal with fruit and sugar free syrup....sometimes its just 6 detour bars as my binge. depending i'll throw it up or keep it. whatever mood i'm in. the thing about me is i'm lean as shit to begin with. so i don't need a 24/7 diet cause i'll waste away to nothing.


just learn to eat your meal then walk away from the food and bring 1 gallon of water. drink up!

after that eat 1 can of tuna with nothing every hour until you're full. you need to write it down on like oak tag and tape it to your fridge. binging is fun and it makes you feel good. do it only once an week and you'll look forward to it and it will keep your body growing.


yak if you want but i didn't tell you that

 

[HANSEL]

that happens to me all the time. i think anyone who diets has these binges.... my problem was at night. i could eat perfect all day. infact i never have anything bad until at night.


so what i started doing was knocking myself out after my last meal. 2 ambien and 3 ml of 1,4 BD. wake up not even hungry. but every 3-4 days or so i'll let myself binge. but on like good stuff. 4 myoplex low carb shakes with all natural PB. or 2 cups oatmeal with fruit and sugar free syrup....sometimes its just 6 detour bars as my binge. depending i'll throw it up or keep it. whatever mood i'm in. the thing about me is i'm lean as shit to begin with. so i don't need a 24/7 diet cause i'll waste away to nothing.


just learn to eat your meal then walk away from the food and bring 1 gallon of water. drink up!

after that eat 1 can of tuna with nothing every hour until you're full. you need to write it down on like oak tag and tape it to your fridge. binging is fun and it makes you feel good. do it only once an week and you'll look forward to it and it will keep your body growing.


yak if you want but i didn't tell you that

Bro, I am the same way, good all day but come primetime, I want to eat.
I agree with the drinking a gallon of water too, after drinking that much youll feel too full to eat.



But bro, taking pills to hammer yourself to sleep so you dont binge? C,mon. How long are you gonna do this?

"depending i'll throw it up or keep it" That is a very serious problem. No matter how often you do it that is not good ever.

 

[massbuild]

Man, i feel for ya. I had the same problem when dieting. Taking 1 step forward then 3 steps back. Its the goddamn cravings!

Just try not to give in coz as soon as you've eaten one thing you think...oh well its a cheat day now so ill eat more, even if ya not hungry.

Best off to do what hansel said, only diet for a couple of weeks then just maintain for a couple of weeks then diet again.

When i get the urge to binge i just try to think of other things and try to get some work done for college or play on the playstation. If its so bad then all that i do is drink loads of diet coke or pepsi max (only0.4/0.6 cal per 100ml) and that seems to take care of it!

 

[OXANDRIN]

Bro, I am the same way, good all day but come primetime, I want to eat.
I agree with the drinking a gallon of water too, after drinking that much youll feel too full to eat.



But bro, taking pills to hammer yourself to sleep so you dont binge? C,mon. How long are you gonna do this?

"depending i'll throw it up or keep it" That is a very serious problem. No matter how often you do it that is not good ever.

actually people who binge and throw up need to break the habit any way possible once you learn to eat and be full you'll stop the binging. i used to diet hard when i wrestled in high school to make weight. even after the season i couldn't eat much cause i trained myself to eat very little. we are people of habits break the bad ones and get into the good ones

 

[MrMakaveli]

Listen to PwB, seem to me to be a def. Leptin issue.

I went through the SAME THING, eating easily 15000 calories a day and gained 30-40 pounds of PURE FAT in 2 months (and all the health problems that came along with it).

My advice is this:

1. Have you messed around with your thyroid at all while detinig?
2. Is it a FEAR of not eating that drives you to eat? I've noticed this alot. There is a sense of fear inside myself that if I dont eat crap food I will somehow suffer.
3. Stop worying about watching cals, at this point your health has to become a bigger issue than body-fat. Let yourself recover.
4. The problem no doubt is chemical but IT WILL become mental after this. Dont ever expect to diet easily again (we can address this once your recovered)
5. R-ALA/Biotin - Your going to have to let your body recover but this will help control not only carb cravings but your body composition until you recover
(Depending on financial situations, Tonalin CLA in HIGH doses (20g day) will help control the aftermath
6. I went through the depression too, you may want to get blood work done to check test levels, I wish I had as I'm almost sure my testosterone was effected by my problems.

GET YOUR PROTEIN WITH WHATEVER YOU EAT..Belive me, GET YOUR PROTEIN day in and day out.

Check your PM too.

 

[HANSEL]

Makaveli,
What kind of secret advice did you PM him?

 

[M56M]

I have the same damn fucking problem, i can eat great all damn day but once dinner time rears its ugly head, or it gets too late and i am still up, i binge eat.

I also have that same outlook, once i have 'cheated' the whole day becomes a waste, at times it will throw off my whole damn week.

It really does fuck you up mentally though. I am surprised to see so many guys have the same EXACT problems as i am having.

I also am having a large problem getting cardio done, 2 years ago i had the drive but now i can't seem to find it. I do find when i do cardio its easier to stay on my diet and not binge.

M56M

 

[MrMakaveli]

Makaveli,
What kind of secret advice did you PM him?

It seems he has a bigger problem than night-time carvings which I found to be eliminated by the addition of R-ALA.

No secret advice just that if after a month of supplement use and NOT-deiting if the extreme hunger problem is still here then maybe the use of Dopamine regulating drugs (Bromo) should be used not to encourage fat-loss as I belive that there are better alternatives but to get health back in order.

Lets face it, if his body doesnt recover on its own (mine still hasnt but I've been able to pull off some weird diets to lower body-fat) than he will become obese from the extreme eating. Bromo or other drugs of its type WILL fix that and may possible teach him to eat until full again. This will reteach him non-binging habits but when he comes off the drug refeeds, etc will have to be used as there is no way to address a chemical problem if in fact there really is one.

 

[HANSEL]

Cool thanks.

 

[M56M]

MrMakaveli


It seems he has a bigger problem than night-time carvings which I found to be eliminated by the addition of R-ALA.



How is R-Ala helping with cravings????

M56M

 

[MrMakaveli]

MrMakaveli


It seems he has a bigger problem than night-time carvings which I found to be eliminated by the addition of R-ALA.



How is R-Ala helping with cravings????

M56M

Wish I could tell you....

My assumption is basically R-ALA keeps me in a ketogenic state (even when I eat carbs) and that kills my carb cravings most of the time.

Other than that I dont know why/how it lowers my carb cravings but it does.

 

[bigfina]

man i went through the same thing last year. i was doing 2 hours cardio a day, 6-7 days a week, lifting for 2 hours everyday, and eating like a can of tuna for my total day calories. my energy levels plumeted, i stopped going out with friends and i became so depressed. i did this for about 4 months.
then the binge hit, in the morning i would eat 10 donuts cream cakes, oatmeal, cereal anything i could find twinkies. i would eat complete boxes of sugar cereal in one sitting, could not stop eating. i felt really shameful depressed. i couldn't control myself. i would eat all kinds of candy and sugar things.

all this has still effected me to this day and that was over a year ago. today i am still depressed, my blood sugar levels are way to low, my leptin level is way to low, and especially my testosterone levels which are at 55 right now, which is extremely low. i am still depressed don't go out with friends or anything.

i know what all you go through.

 

[Ceebs]

Other than that I dont know why/how it lowers my carb cravings but it does.

It lowers plasma insulin. Lowered insulin equals less carb cravings. This is only true for r-ALA, however, not the racemic mix.

I've never had bingeing problems to the extent you guys have talked about in this thread, but I do have my moments - supplementing with r-ALA and 5-HTP, and recognizing food sensitivies and allergies have made them fewer and further between.

Good luck.

 

[crunch1]

whats up...curious how the binging is going ... or hopefully not going. i just realized i was the one who you had the post you refered to. i didnt notice because you misspelled my user name.

im still struggling with my eating disorder. i have cut back on binging but i still do it. mostly now its on more healthly things than pizza. i eat a ton of that microwave popcorn, oatmeal, myoplex shakes, ff sf pudding. i figure its better than junk if your gonna eat a lot

crunch

 

[fitwizard]

THANKS FOR CARING! IT MEANS A LOT!

To crunch1 & MrMakaveli,

The binge eating is now not even close to what it was before. I've recovered greatly. While back when I had the serious problems I could easily eat 5000-8000 cals in one sitting(that's right). Now the maximum I get to is something like 1200 cals, and still some of them are good cals. So Yes, I have more control no doubt about it. I didn't took any supplement, it went away by itself.

However, I still find I am eating too much now. Even though I am on a heavy bulking cycle which started 3 weeks ago. I think I am getting to 5500 cals a day, while I shouldn't get over 4000 max.

I also, still ocassionaly have these cravings for Chocolate and sugary things. A pizza wouldn't "do it to me" like a bar of chocolate would. But during binging I still try to take my protein first, and try to binge with more healthy food. Like binging with a Detour bar instead of eating a 35% FAT chocolate bar.

I got today some supplements I ordered a while ago:

* R-ALA (Glucorell)
* Inositol powder
* 5-HTP
* 7-KETO DHEA

I am quite confused with all the supplemens but have decided to take r-ALA before each meal along with biotin

8 grams of Inositol (2 grams x 4 times daily)
5-HTP 100mg before each meal (600-700mg daily)

Regarding the 7-KETO DHEA, I think I will leave this one for later, when I will be dieting again.

My plan for getting back in shape is as follows:

- Continue my bulking cycle for another 6 weeks (Im starting week 4). My bulking phase will be over in 15th of June.

- Then I will myself back in shape (hopefully being with more muscles and getting rid of all those fats that the binge eating put on my figure).

My cutting phase will be 8 weeks and will be much more moderate, calculated and supplemental controlled than last time (which led to binge eating disorder)

Calories:
WK1-2 - Bodyweight x 14
WK3-4 - Bodyweight x 13
WK5-8 - Bodyweight x 12

Cardio:
First thing in the morning 5 x times a week 45min each

Supplements:
- ECA alternated with CLEN (2wk/2wk) (Last time I took them both together!!!)
- 7 KETO DHEA
- 5-HTP (Would prefer to use it only if i 'smell' problems starting so it would be more potent than running it all the way through)

This 8 weeks cutting plan is the only thing that currently keeps me sane with my bulging belly. It will only start in 6 weeks from now, so I will be totally recovered till then. I estiamte I will need to loose something about 14lb of excess fat to get back to 9% BF. Which is still sane considering it's 8 weeks and I'll also be on-cycle.

Thank you so much so far for the help... I am much stronger.

 

[MrMakaveli]

Great to hear. Your plan looks great and I'm sure you'll be successfull, your motivation for us all dealing with similar situations

 

[massbuild]

binging is a bitch i had the same prob a while back but my motivation has gotten stronger and im okay now but added a couple of more weeks to my diet!

 

[MrMakaveli]

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cach...ml+bromocriptine+leptin+timing&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


Take a look at 87.



87. Daily administration of clenbuterol decreases leptin concentrations but does not influence the timing of anestrus in mares.

You were using clen and eca correct?

 

[jboy]

I've been through the binge thing in the past and now have things pretty much under control.

Here are some things that I try to turn to when I feel like bingeing:

Diet Soda (If you drink one quickly the carbonation bloats your stomach and makes you feel full...just like a binge)
Sugar Free Jello
Sugar Free pudding (made with skim milk)
Coffee
A big plate full of your favorite veggies. I’d like to see you eat 10,000 calories worth of broccoli!

Some of these aren't the healthiest foods, but you can binge on them without taking in a zillion calories.

Also, don't go to the store when you're hungry! Try to keep the junk food out of the house. Keep yourself busy doing something active like getting out of the house and taking a walk.

Hope this helps!

BTW, stay away from the gear until you’ve got this problem solved! Gear can cause depression…I’ve been there and it sucked! As a matter of fact, I think that’s when my problems with bingeing started! Anyway, that would likely be more than you could handle given your current imbalance!

Good luck!