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Best Oral Cycle?
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Djicy said:
you want to bulk up and burn some fat at the same time huh?
Any steriod can be used for bulking or cutting depending on the diet and work out routine. However, the following are examples of what the particular aas is used for.
dbol = bulking
anavar = lean mass
winstrol = lean mass
clen (not a steroid) = cutting
t3 (not a steroid) = cutting
Apexx said:you want to bulk up and burn some fat at the same time huh?
Any steriod can be used for bulking or cutting depending on the diet and work out routine. However, the following are examples of what the particular aas is used for.
dbol = bulking
anavar = lean mass
winstrol = lean mass
clen (not a steroid) = cutting
t3 (not a steroid) = cutting
Do you suggest taking Dbol and Winny together than taking Clen to cut fat after that cycle? This was suggested to me before so just wondering what you thought. Also what would a cycle look like if I was to take the winny and Dbol if you don't mind?
Djicy said:
anavar and clen.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that
anavar is the only steroid proven to still increase lean mass
while on a calorie deficient diet. Then clen will do it's job
on the fat.
u won't see huge gains, but you will put on a couple of
lbs of raw beef while cutting your bf.
slat1
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I don't know why someone has not pointed out that there is not an AAS out there that burns fat! Diet gets rid of fat. Winny etc just help you keep muscle while dieting.
No questions about PCT? You will get shut down if you don't address it. In other words you will watch all your gains go away!
You didn't ask any questions about toxicity either. I guess you have no concerns there?!?!?
I would do some more research before you hop on anything. There is a lot of info out there that you are going to need!
No questions about PCT? You will get shut down if you don't address it. In other words you will watch all your gains go away!
You didn't ask any questions about toxicity either. I guess you have no concerns there?!?!?
I would do some more research before you hop on anything. There is a lot of info out there that you are going to need!
jbradley2093
Banned
IMO if you are afraid of injections then you should stick with the pills you can buy at GNC.
If you've plateaued, I'd look first to your training (IMO most important) and diet (fairly easy - eat a lot and get a lot of protein). These are the reasons why most turn to juice and you see such shitty training from big roided up guys in the gym who's routines wouldn't work for anyone other than a novice.
jbradley2093
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dr0832 said:
You can tell by his post that it is not the goals that are keeping him from the pins, its the fear. You can tell those guys in the gym, you know the A-Bomb crew. Blow up, shrink up, Blow up shrink up. It is a funny transition to watch.
Just curious what cycle you did that gained you 40lbs in 6 weeks. I want to order some of that shit.
hammertime30
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Djicy said:
Just to let you know, there is no such thing as "best oral cycle." In the same manner there is no such thing as the best cycle period rather it be for bulking or cutting.....Everyone is different and each one of us responds differently to different things, however the key is to find what works best for you and what your body responds to the best....You must make a choice...you can not bulk up and burn fat at the same time....Muscle mass is calorie dependent therefore in order for you to add a considerable amount of muscle, you need a considerable amount of calories....and in the opposite, you need to minimize calories in order to drop body fat, so you must make a choice! Ideally, you want to add muscle without increasing fat which is a challenge in it's on...
Do a bulking cycle and then do a cutting cycle....don't make it more difficult than what it is....I follow the "KISS" rule (keep it simple stupid)....Remember AAS is a tool that allows you to preserve muscle while cutting fat or build muscle quicker (I'm not going to get into how)....food makes you grow and lack of food make you shrink...not AAS!
As far as orals....you can use any oral for cutting and/or bulking....Dbol is known for water retention due to estrogen conversion, but can be controlled through dosage, diet and/or aromatase inhibitors...Drol is known to cause even more water retention.....winny and var doesn't convert to estrogen, therefore you can maintain a dryer look, however if you eat uncontrollably, you will still gain fat and if you intake too much sodium, you will still retain water......make sure you protect the liver at all times........hope that helps!
a-bomb5083
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i would say you'll have to suck up the pain. when you think about it, i think everybody will agree with me on this. if you just find a buddy that has a 25g pin, just look at it and you'll laugh. its not big at all. trust me, when i first took my first shot i was so apprehensive but i did it anyway, now its not big deal. its so small. you reall don't even feel it. if you have somebody else administer the shot (somebody who knows what there doing that is) and you just look away when they do it, you won't even know they've done it. just use a 21g to draw and a switch the pin to a 25g and shoot it, you'll get over it within your first 4 or 5 shots. good luck bro
a-bomb
a-bomb
I appreciate everyones help, I probably should have been more clear when I say I'm afraid to shoot up. I have no fear of the needles, I just think my first cycle should be all oral so I can work my way up to the needles if that makes any sense. I wanted to keep the first one simple and just see how I liked it, I'm debating whether to do it at all I'm just afraid of the side effects and everything. I've been reading up on everything and I was just wondering what you guys thought of a 8 week cycle with Dbol 30 mg per day 1-6 weeks and Winny 25 mgs per day 3-8 weeks. With 40 mg per day of Nolva on week 9 and 20 mg per day of Nolva on week 10 and 11.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
Anthony Starks
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Your cycle seems pretty well thought out if you really don't want to use needles. If you are not looking for bulk, you could do an anavar/winny cycle that would have less sides, but you should be okay with what you got. Still, 500mg of test eth or cyp once a week would be better and cheaper...
hammertime30
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Djicy said:
Actually bro, although the 30mg + 25mg seems like a little, that's still a heavy load to start with(when considering the source)...dbol is very powerful mg for mg when comparing to test shots...If you want to start light, go with 20-25mg of dbol only and work your ass off in the gym.....you'll be surprise as to the outcome!
starks and hammertime I appreciate your responses so I'll ask if I want to do nnedles should I do a test only cycle to start me off? And if I do what should I do for PCT? Also are there more sides with test only other than the dbol and winny?
hammertime I'll take your advice on that dbol if I do decide to go that route thnx!
hammertime I'll take your advice on that dbol if I do decide to go that route thnx!
SuperDawgy
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Djicy said:
No, no, no! Good grief man, do some research! These threads are starting to piss me off.
SuperDawgy said:
If it pisses you off why reply? I did some reseacrh on the other stuff and I was just asking these other guys about something and they are not A-holes they are actually nice enough to take time to answer my questions not just act like some know it all who's too good to answer anything just try to show people up who don't know much.
SuperDawgy said:
ANd actually I did my research on that right here http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsample.htm and thats the cycle I was talking about.
SuperDawgy
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Djicy said:
Not trying to be an asshole here bro, but you've been here long enough to know better. How many threads have you read where some guy asks about an all oral cycle? My guess is at least 10! You see the same reponses time after time. All i'm saying is that you really need to listen and learn. I'm sorry about my first post, i know it came off bitchy. Here's my opinion:
No, I wouldn't recommend an all oral stack for your first run.
No, I wouldn't recommmend winny and dbol together.
Yes, i would encourage you to use test for your first cycle.
No harm intended bro, it just gets redundant. I just want those who have decided to use gear to put in the time to research and basically get a clue before they start planning cycles. Best of luck. -Dawgy
SuperDawgy said:
I apologize I really never saw an all oral thread started on this board so my bad on that. I did do some research on that link I posted but I can't find any links for a good first cycle other than asking questions on here. If I take test would you have the time to tell me what a cyle would look like and what PCT I should take and when?
What are the sides for test?
And should I take it with anything else or just test alone?
Thnx!
SuperDawgy
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Apexx said:
Primo will also. Var may be the only oral that will though.
SuperDawgy
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Djicy said:
The sides will vary from person to person. At your age i would expect some acne, added aggression, and raised sex drive. I would run a test only cycle if this is your first. You said that you want to add some beef and cut up? Understand that one comes before the other. If you're holding onto a fair amount of BF, it is possible to lean out some while still gaining...but in order for you to grow to the max potential on a good cycle, you will add a few+ pounds of non-muscular weight. It's getting cold so dont worry about looking a little smooth for the next 3-4 months. Eat clean but get a ton of calories in you to aid repair and keep your strength levels high.
500mg a week of enan or cyp will do you alot of good if you're training is on the money and you have your diet down pat. There are some very good methods of PCT in the PCt forum. Anything that DrJMW or Jenetic has to say is golden. Read as much as you can bro.
SuperDawgy
New member
Djicy said:
The sides will vary from person to person. At your age i would expect some acne, added aggression, and raised sex drive. I would run a test only cycle if this is your first. You said that you want to add some beef and cut up? Understand that one comes before the other. If you're holding onto a fair amount of BF, it is possible to lean out some while still gaining...but in order for you to grow to the max potential on a good cycle, you will add a few+ pounds of non-muscular weight. It's getting cold so dont worry about looking a little smooth for the next 3-4 months. Eat clean but get a ton of calories in you to aid repair and keep your strength levels high.
500mg a week of enan or cyp will do you alot of good if your training is on the money and you have your diet down pat. There are some very good methods of PCT in the PCt forum. Anything that DrJMW or Jenetic has to say is golden. Read as much as you can bro.
