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What is the best supp, supps for kidney protection? Namely while on tren?
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water, water and more water.
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Cranberries have been valued for their ability to reduce the risk of urinary tract infections for hundreds of years. In 1994, a placebo-controlled study of 153 elderly women was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association that gave scientific credibility to claims of cranberries effectiveness in preventing urinary tract infection. In this study, the women given cranberry juice had less than half the number of urinary infections as the control group (only 42% as many, to be precise), who received a placebo imitation “cranberry” drink. The daily dose of cranberry juice in this initial study was just 300 milliliters (about one and one-quarter cups). Since then, a number of other studies have also confirmed anecdotal tales of cranberry’s ability to both treat and prevent urinary tract infections. In most of these later studies, subjects drank about 16 ounces (2 cups) of cranberry juice daily.
How does cranberry juice help prevent urinary tract infections? It acidifies the urine, contains an antibacterial agent called hippuric acid, and also contains other compounds that reduce the ability of E. coli bacteria to adhere to the walls of the urinary tract. Before an infection can start, a pathogen must first latch on to and then penetrate the mucosal surface of the urinary tract walls, but cranberries prevent such adherence, so the E. coli is washed away in the urine and voided. Since E. coli is pathogen responsible for 80-90% of urinary tract infections, the protection afforded by cranberries is quite significant. The most recent studies attempting to explain cranberries’ protective effects on urinary tract health were presented at the Experimental Biology Conference held in April 2002. Amy Howell, research scientist at the Marucci Center for Blueberry Cranberry Research at Rutgers University and Jess Reed, professor of nutrition at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, compared the proanthycyanins (active compounds) in cranberries to those found in grapes, apples, green tea and chocolate. They discovered that “the cranberry's proanthocyanidins are structurally different than the proanthocyanidins found in the other plant foods tested, which may explain why cranberry has unique bacterial anti-adhesion activity and helps to maintain urinary tract health.”
How does cranberry juice help prevent urinary tract infections? It acidifies the urine, contains an antibacterial agent called hippuric acid, and also contains other compounds that reduce the ability of E. coli bacteria to adhere to the walls of the urinary tract. Before an infection can start, a pathogen must first latch on to and then penetrate the mucosal surface of the urinary tract walls, but cranberries prevent such adherence, so the E. coli is washed away in the urine and voided. Since E. coli is pathogen responsible for 80-90% of urinary tract infections, the protection afforded by cranberries is quite significant. The most recent studies attempting to explain cranberries’ protective effects on urinary tract health were presented at the Experimental Biology Conference held in April 2002. Amy Howell, research scientist at the Marucci Center for Blueberry Cranberry Research at Rutgers University and Jess Reed, professor of nutrition at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, compared the proanthycyanins (active compounds) in cranberries to those found in grapes, apples, green tea and chocolate. They discovered that “the cranberry's proanthocyanidins are structurally different than the proanthocyanidins found in the other plant foods tested, which may explain why cranberry has unique bacterial anti-adhesion activity and helps to maintain urinary tract health.”
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ACE-inhibitors. These drugs (E.g. Captopril, vasotec, prinivil) protect the kidney by maintaining blood flow and maximizing flushing out of toxins. Usually prescribed for high blood pressure, these drugs block an enzyme which decreases the production of angiotensin II. As a result, the blood vessels enlarge or dilate, and the blood pressure is reduced, allowing blood to flow easier through the kidney. Advanced BB use this when on Tren as an alternative to drinking 3 gallons of water. Unlike most BB drugs, this one is fairly easy to get your MD to prescribe.
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LoneTree said:
While I would agree there is no definite evidence to support that it does; I add there is simarly no evidence (other than anecdotal) to support it does not.
And you are mistaken to think it is only ingredients that darken urine. Yes, many medicines cause darkened urine; so do beets and blackberries.
Dehydration also causes your urine to get dark.
BUT so does bile (from liver damage) and so does blood-from microcapillary damage to kidneys. SO, darkened urine CAN be evidence of damage and, having been in the position to first-hand observe Tren-induced kidney damage, I believe I'm qualified to say it CAN happen. Please note this is in contrast to it saying will happen (it probably won't). The guy I saw had a lot of predisposing factors (E.g. untreated HTN)so its hard to say what "caused" his kidney problems.
I don't want to get into the Tren does/Tren does not discussion- If the guy wants to be safe, I think we should explore the information available that would offer him this option. Just my .02
I was not discussing differencial diagnosis of dark urine. That would make a whole chapter in a text book. I was just answering a specific question.todoveritas said:
Don't spread fear by your ignorance.
I have myself been on Tren and had dark urine.
I checked it for blood, and it was negative, and I was drinking plenty of water. A week or so after I stopped Tren, the dark urine was gone.
Kidney damage in initial stage will cause lighter urine, and not darker.
'Loss of concentrating ability' is an early sign of kidney disease.
It takes years for high blood pressure to cause kidney damage, and it would not cause dark urine in initial stages. Very advanced kidney disease may cause smaller amounts of urine with dark color. Then person is close to needing dialysis.
If someone wants to prove that it is blood in the urine, then one has to consistently show that the urine was positive for occult blood. I checked it myself. It was negative. May be everyone on Tren should dipstick their urine for blood. That would clear it up.
The purpose of this post is not to argue with you, that would be foolish on my part.
It is to clear a common myth.
The above information is not based on a google search or internet.
You can take it to the bank for its accuracy.
I was not discussing differencial diagnosis of dark urine. That would make a whole chapter in a text book. I was just answering a specific question.todoveritas said:
Don't spread fear by your ignorance.
I have myself been on Tren and had dark urine.
I checked it for blood, and it was negative, and I was drinking plenty of water. A week or so after I stopped Tren, the dark urine was gone.
Kidney damage in initial stage will cause lighter urine, and not darker.
'Loss of concentrating ability' is an early sign of kidney disease.
It takes years for high blood pressure to cause kidney damage, and it would not cause dark urine in initial stages. Very advanced kidney disease may cause smaller amounts of urine with dark color. Then person is close to needing dialysis.
If someone wants to prove that it is blood in the urine, then one has to consistently show that the urine was positive for occult blood. I checked it myself. It was negative. May be everyone on Tren should dipstick their urine for blood. That would clear it up.
The purpose of this post is not to argue with you, that would be foolish on my part.
It is to clear a common myth.
The above information is not based on a google search or internet.
You can take it to the bank for its accuracy.
todoveritas
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LoneTree said:
That is an interesting suggestion that just might worth be implementing. It would be cost-effective, easy to do, and would relieve a lot of anxiety about a compound that may have an undeserved rap. Lonestar, I've read a lot of your posts and you do sound like an informed BB with a lot of good knowledge to share. Props.
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