if you run eq with prop in a 1:1 ratio it is almost painless even when the prop alone would hurt you....but if you get quality prop and bake it will still hurt a bit for a few days but it won't cripple the muscle like harsher prop will.....i am running prop that is made with 50% eo right now.....i baked it as well and it hurts just as much as the regular prop thats baked BUT you can use a real fine pin to shoot with....really a slin pin would work if it was a little longer (just some info for people wondering about eo)