babydoc has advised me.....

[Testosterone boy]

that I made a great thread about the proposed cap on medical litigation expenses. Also stated that my "opinion was shitty and that hopefully I will learn".

I thought docs used more elegant adjectives?

 

[bwood]

avatar...

where did you get it and who is she???

 

[Citruscide]

Not sure what your opinion is, but if you were a proponent of a cap on med-mal litigation claims, then he should be in support of that. I however, cannot support such a cap... because that would seriously undermine a doctor's professional responsibility and also short change a victem of such abuse.

C-ditty

 

[Testosterone boy]

avatar...

where did you get it and who is she???

I swiped it from a member of another AAS board. She is a porn star, I don't know the name.

 

[vinylgroover]

I swiped it from a member of another AAS board. She is a porn star, I don't know the name.

Well find out for fuck's sake

 

[Testosterone boy]

Well find out for fuck's sake

Hey...you guys are hijacking my thread.

I'll "keep my eyes peeled for her." I've seen her in a porno but her performance didn't rock my world one way or another. I've seen them all perform. Unless they are spectacular in the sack, I am not impressed.

Fpr starters....they pretty much have to deep throat. I'm pretty sure she didn't.

I seen a girl deep throat Rocco. That was well worth seeing. Amanda Angel is the name. She is hot, I'm leaving now to search for new pornos she starred in.

 

[TEXgrl]

Not sure what your opinion is, but if you were a proponent of a cap on med-mal litigation claims, then he should be in support of that. I however, cannot support such a cap... because that would seriously undermine a doctor's professional responsibility and also short change a victem of such abuse.

C-ditty

i agree with you totally

 

[spentagn]

Not sure what your opinion is, but if you were a proponent of a cap on med-mal litigation claims, then he should be in support of that. I however, cannot support such a cap... because that would seriously undermine a doctor's professional responsibility and also short change a victem of such abuse.

C-ditty

I'm sure you're real concerned about the welfare of the victims. You're chosen profession couldn't possibly coincide with the rhetoric you spouted.

 

[HG Pennypacker]

I'm sure you're real concerned about the welfare of the victims. You're chosen profession couldn't possibly coincide with the rhetoric you spouted.

Spent Make sure you get plenty of rest now after using all of those "big people" words.

 

[Citruscide]

I'm sure you're real concerned about the welfare of the victims. You're chosen profession couldn't possibly coincide with the rhetoric you spouted.

Hey dude. If I did take a med mal case, I would ONLY be concerned with the victims. I wouldn't take the case i I thought it was a sham or that the doctor wasn't grossly negligent. Do I think a guy who gets his leg amputated deserves money?? HELL YEAH... I think he deserves at least 5 million... if I can't win at least that for him, my services are for free.

C-ditty

 

[HG Pennypacker]

I understand that medical malpractice premiums are ludicrous and I also understand that a doctor is not going to hurt anyone on purpose, but we need to have some equality here. It's like the kid in Michigan who was sentenced to life for setting up a drug transaction, but the guy who murders an innocent woman gets 15 years.

I have some jackass suing my wife for $1,000,000 when he was fine and bopping around after a minor car accident. If a patient is maimed or scarred for life or even killed during a medical procedure or treatment, they should be entitled to more than what this jackass is suing my wife for. By a longshot.

 

[Bullit]

Yeah find out who the hell that is in your avatar or else HG will beat the living shit outta you.

 

[spentagn]

Spent Make sure you get plenty of rest now after using all of those "big people" words.

doody head

 

[HG Pennypacker]

Yeah find out who the hell that is in your avatar or else HG will beat the living shit outta you.

I don't care. All white women are dead to me.

 

[spentagn]

Hey dude. If I did take a med mal case, I would ONLY be concerned with the victims. I wouldn't take the case i I thought it was a sham or that the doctor wasn't grossly negligent. Do I think a guy who gets his leg amputated deserves money?? HELL YEAH... I think he deserves at least 5 million... if I can't win at least that for him, my services are for free.

C-ditty

Grossly negligent? Sure, fuck him over. But do you think he can afford 5 million? No, so what happens? That's right, the costs get passed back to consumers via higher premiums. The guy should have his license revoked, no doubt. But punishment for the tort hurts more than the doc, for sure.

 

[the nature boy]

we wouldn't have this problem if doctors were robots. you can't put a lawsuit on robots because they don't make mistakes and they don't have money.

"The nature boy, solving problems."

 

[Citruscide]

Grossly negligent? Sure, fuck him over. But do you think he can afford 5 million? No, so what happens? That's right, the costs get passed back to consumers via higher premiums. The guy should have his license revoked, no doubt. But punishment for the tort hurts more than the doc, for sure.

It's a cycle... that's for sure. The problem with these med mal cases is that the doctor DOES NOT get his license revoked, and usually commits more of these types of actions.

I think the duty is two-fold. If a patent goes in for a surgery that has risks, and they get hurt... but it wasn't because the doctor did anything wrong, just because it's a RISK. I.E. Liposuction has a VERY high rate of infection... should be able to sue the doc.

Now, to even GET a med mal case, you have to present the facts of your case to a panel (of doctors) for them to decide if it "worthy" of being a case... THEN you get to sue. So it is really hard to get a suit in, especially if it is bogus...

Problem? There are alot of incompetiant doctors... trying to meet their 4pm Tee-times on Friday afternoon...

Sure, the cost comes back on the rest of the public... but I wouldn't have it any other way... Because I know if I go in and have an injury that is a 15 million dollar injury ... and the government says "Oh, there is a cap of 150K sorry" -- now I have 3 million in bills and bullshit, but I get 150K because Americans don't want to pay... bullshit.

C-ditty

 

[spentagn]

So everyone should pay for the individual's misfortune? That's scary. The doctor should pay IF he's grossly negligent. Not my ass.

And btw, if you had 3 million in bills, you'd never really have to pay anyways. Those unpaid claims are another cost spit back onto society.

 

[HG Pennypacker]

Spent has had plenty of time to ponder this stuff while working in the toll booth the past 10 years or so.

It could have something to do with the fumes, as well.

 

[the nature boy]

ah havent' heard any toll booth jokes in a while.

good times.

 

[Citruscide]

So everyone should pay for the individual's misfortune? That's scary. The doctor should pay IF he's grossly negligent. Not my ass.

And btw, if you had 3 million in bills, you'd never really have to pay anyways. Those unpaid claims are another cost spit back onto society.

True... the doc should pay... I agree 100%, but the way the laws are set up, his personal liability may be limited through various corporation laws and such. The corporation assets that could be attacked would be the insurance proceeds.

Trust me, my cousin has 130K in medical bills, he is uninsured, and they are foreclosing on his house... they will GET the money if you owe it.

And yes, the way our system is now, it sucks donkey. If a doctor is found to have screwed up, his license should be revoked. If I as an attorney get a DUI, I will most likely lose my license... if I lie about something to a client or judge, I will lose my license... yet doctors can be grossly negligent and keep their licenses... makes no sense to me.

C-ditty

 

[spentagn]

Trust me, my cousin has 130K in medical bills, he is uninsured, and they are foreclosing on his house... they will GET the money if you owe it.

C-ditty

My dad has well over a million in medical bills from a hear attack that required him to be Star Flighted over 200 miles. He was a prof at a small lib arts university at the time whose insurance didn't cover near that. A week after he got out of the hospital he bought a new house. The people at the hospital went as far as to tell him basically not to worry about it.

 

[bigguns7]

Now, to even GET a med mal case, you have to present the facts of your case to a panel (of doctors) for them to decide if it "worthy" of being a case... THEN you get to sue. So it is really hard to get a suit in, especially if it is bogus...

C-ditty

What you're leaving out is that you don't have to sue, only threaten to sue in order to get money. Alot of these things never go to court right?

 

[Citruscide]

My dad has well over a million in medical bills from a hear attack that required him to be Star Flighted over 200 miles. He was a prof at a small lib arts university at the time whose insurance didn't cover near that. A week after he got out of the hospital he bought a new house. The people at the hospital went as far as to tell him basically not to worry about it.

That's awesome of the hospital.

Did you know that medicare just pays what it wants too??? My mom goes into the doctor and the bill is $250 and medicare will send a statement saying "We'll pay 28 dollars of that" -- and that is what the doctor gets... My mom doesn't have to pay the extra... fucked up shit huh?

C-ditty

 

[spentagn]

That's awesome of the hospital.

Did you know that medicare just pays what it wants too??? My mom goes into the doctor and the bill is $250 and medicare will send a statement saying "We'll pay 28 dollars of that" -- and that is what the doctor gets... My mom doesn't have to pay the extra... fucked up shit huh?

C-ditty

It was the Ohio State University hospital. So it's being paid for, one way or another.

As far as medicare, that's the way it goes. I believe they just pay the "customary fee" for a covered procedure. This is yet another reason why many physicians won't accept it.

 

[thebabydoc]

It's a cycle... that's for sure. The problem with these med mal cases is that the doctor DOES NOT get his license revoked, and usually commits more of these types of actions.

I think the duty is two-fold. If a patent goes in for a surgery that has risks, and they get hurt... but it wasn't because the doctor did anything wrong, just because it's a RISK. I.E. Liposuction has a VERY high rate of infection... should be able to sue the doc.

Now, to even GET a med mal case, you have to present the facts of your case to a panel (of doctors) for them to decide if it "worthy" of being a case... THEN you get to sue. So it is really hard to get a suit in, especially if it is bogus...

Problem? There are alot of incompetiant doctors... trying to meet their 4pm Tee-times on Friday afternoon...

Sure, the cost comes back on the rest of the public... but I wouldn't have it any other way... Because I know if I go in and have an injury that is a 15 million dollar injury ... and the government says "Oh, there is a cap of 150K sorry" -- now I have 3 million in bills and bullshit, but I get 150K because Americans don't want to pay... bullshit.

And yes, the way our system is now, it sucks donkey. If a doctor is found to have screwed up, his license should be revoked. If I as an attorney get a DUI, I will most likely lose my license... if I lie about something to a client or judge, I will lose my license... yet doctors can be grossly negligent and keep their licenses... makes no sense to me.

God this is so wrong and so simple-minded in so many ways I don't even know where to start...

Who the fuck sets up a tee time for 4PM??? It's dark by 6, 7 o'clock at the latest and you'd be lucky to get in 10 holes.

The entire issue is to make quality medical care available and cost-effective for the greatest number of people, if not everybody. If 1 person doesn't get to sue for $234 Million dollars because the wrong leg got amputated (you guys seem to love this 1 in 200 million example) but 200,000 people get affordable healthcare or 100,000 mothers get prenatal care, then perhaps it is for the greater good. Try to think GLOBALLY instead of individually. That is the biggest problem with our society and our system of law- it thinks SELFISHLY, both for the plaintiff and the attorneys and completely disregards the greater good.

BTW- you would never lose your fucking license for a DUI (aside from the fact that, being a lawyer, you could always manage to get it reduced/changed to a less punishable offense) but I bet you could get disbarred for felony AS possesion/sales...so please, shove that bullshit sob story up your ass. (no offense C-shitty)

 

[Testosterone boy]

Hey dude. If I did take a med mal case, I would ONLY be concerned with the victims. I wouldn't take the case i I thought it was a sham or that the doctor wasn't grossly negligent. Do I think a guy who gets his leg amputated deserves money?? HELL YEAH... I think he deserves at least 5 million... if I can't win at least that for him, my services are for free.

C-ditty

I might be willing to sell a leg for 5 mill. From the knee down. Can you get me 5 mill for this?

 

[Norman Bates]

Citrus, what can blow up the lawyer´s costs to 3 millions in that case of an amputated leg?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Citrus, what can blow up the lawyer´s costs to 3 millions in that case of an amputated leg?

For starters...a phone call with one question is billed as 15 minutes. Shooting copies was $1/page several years ago.

Hint.....most lawyers don't pay any income tax.

 

[Citruscide]

God this is so wrong and so simple-minded in so many ways I don't even know where to start...

Who the fuck sets up a tee time for 4PM??? It's dark by 6, 7 o'clock at the latest and you'd be lucky to get in 10 holes.

The entire issue is to make quality medical care available and cost-effective for the greatest number of people, if not everybody. If 1 person doesn't get to sue for $234 Million dollars because the wrong leg got amputated (you guys seem to love this 1 in 200 million example) but 200,000 people get affordable healthcare or 100,000 mothers get prenatal care, then perhaps it is for the greater good. Try to think GLOBALLY instead of individually. That is the biggest problem with our society and our system of law- it thinks SELFISHLY, both for the plaintiff and the attorneys and completely disregards the greater good.

BTW- you would never lose your fucking license for a DUI (aside from the fact that, being a lawyer, you could always manage to get it reduced/changed to a less punishable offense) but I bet you could get disbarred for felony AS possesion/sales...so please, shove that bullshit sob story up your ass. (no offense C-shitty)

Wow...

Don't know where to begin with. But what is the value of waking up with no leg? I can't put a price on it. How about this more common example... a doctor performs surgery and leaves an instrument still sewed up inside the victim's belly... this causes further damage and uselessness of the organ and now the guy has to be on a dialysis machine for the rest of his life.... I worked at a firm that HAD this very case... what is the cost of being 29 years old and having to live on dialysis...? What is that worth to you?!?

Listen numbnuts... an attorney's license can be lost with the blowing of the west winds. You lie on your resume - lost license -- there is no "getting it minimized" -- you are before the ARDC... they are and deal with attorneys all the time...

Yeh... I suppose possession of anabolics is bad.. kinda right up there with a doctor writing prescriptions for anabolics when the person doesn't need them? I sure would like some anavar.... No offense babydick...

C-ditty

 

[Citruscide]

Citrus, what can blow up the lawyer´s costs to 3 millions in that case of an amputated leg?

If it goes to trial, the standard contingency fee for attorneys is 40%... if you win 5 million that is 2 million right there. Not to mention other "fees"

A firm I worked at in Chicago won a case and the 40% contingency + costs was 603K out of the 1million dollar judgement... well, Illinois law prohibits an attorney taking more than 50% of any award... so the firm had to lower the fees and such to like 490K and give the client 510K -- if you ask me, it shouldn't have been like that.

C-ditty

 

[Citruscide]

The entire issue is to make quality medical care available and cost-effective for the greatest number of people, if not everybody. If 1 person doesn't get to sue for $234 Million dollars because the wrong leg got amputated (you guys seem to love this 1 in 200 million example) but 200,000 people get affordable healthcare or 100,000 mothers get prenatal care, then perhaps it is for the greater good. Try to think GLOBALLY instead of individually. That is the biggest problem with our society and our system of law- it thinks SELFISHLY, both for the plaintiff and the attorneys and completely disregards the greater good.

I agree that our system of law thinks selfishly... but there needs to be some sort of check on doctors. There are too many putzs making their way through medical school and getting licensed. Same thing can be said about attorneys.

There needs to be a higher standard for doctors, and more punishment when they fuck up and are negligent. People go into see a surgeon and trust them with their LIVES... for the doctor to fuck up for a negligent reason is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

Hey, as an attorney... I can't fuck up. If i don't file by a certain deadline, guess what, client loses the case... and guess what... I get sued for malpractice and they get that money from my insurance. It's just losing a law suit for a busted up car is just material... but having a CAP on medical lawsuits of 250K ... NO FUCKING WAY!?!? A guy goes in for spinal surgery and becomes paralyzed, not because of the "risk" but because the doctor didn't look for a leakage of spinal fluid before they close up... spinal fluid continues to leak, causing too much pressure on the nerves... boom, guy paralyzed, because the surgeon failed to follow a simple simple protocol.

C-ditty