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Doctor put me on this for my Low T. I have been taking now for 2 weeks. I'm noticing that I have more energy and will to finish concernign my gym workouts however not really noticing any strength improvements. Since Ive only been using it for 2 weeks I can't say that I'm not getting stronger as I'm able to do what I normally do in the gym pertaining to my workouts. What I'm noticing is that I no longer seem to have no mental blocks meaning I just seem to be able to push myself in the gym.

So I take the 30ml pump and I put that 30ml under both underarms alternating until its all gone. In the evening I do this once again as wells and repeat again in the morning. I try to take the first swipe at 445 in the morning and evening swap at 9pm. Feels as if I just have more confidence in what I'm doing. I notice that I get a good sweat during my runs and Im able to just will myself to do whatever my body can handle. Some days the Testosterone application seems to burn upon applying but the burning subsides in a minute or so.

Is there anything that i should accompany with the AXIRON maybe GROWTH HORMONE? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated as I'm trying to get the most out of this Testosterone.

MD
 
I'm glad this topic came up. A friend of good friend of mine began to use this as well and we had a serious difference in train of thought .

I'm in the cycle, pct then let your body recover natty to produce its own test belief system. My friend was advised by his doc that as long as he keeps his test "normal" range (600-800) then there would be no issues with coming off.

I could well be wrong here but won't any amount of exogenous test creative the negative feedback loop so the testes stop producing on their own?
 
mlavin said:
I'm glad this topic came up. A friend of good friend of mine began to use this as well and we had a serious difference in train of thought .

I'm in the cycle, pct then let your body recover natty to produce its own test belief system. My friend was advised by his doc that as long as he keeps his test "normal" range (600-800) then there would be no issues with coming off.

I could well be wrong here but won't any amount of exogenous test creative the negative feedback loop so the testes stop producing on their own?
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your friends doc is just like 99% of docs out there. a very low fitness IQ.. tell your friends doc to stick to tennis and golf and not give advise about bodybuilding or lifting in general. would be doing the world a huge favor.
 
I'm glad this came up again as well. Steve I appreciate your advice and opinions with upmost respect. You know I have been posting and looked into TRT what's your opinion on long term effects? I'm still so unsure, I being 31 and looking at this on the otherhand was low at a young age. I also had Varicocele surgery done when i was 24yrs and had a extremely low sperm count. So that brings me to TRT....when I cycle even when PCT I just get extremely F'd up. Tired as hell, I mean falling asleep just after 8 when kids are in bed. Of course no motivation/drive, low low sex drive. I'm not so sure it wouldn't be better on my body to just get on TRT? I have been all over the place from 225lbs to 170lbs for a mma fighting 5 yrs ago. I'm now about 6 months post and ran two cycles of PCT(clomid and HCG), taken D-aspartic acid and tribulus like no other. I am taking blooded again today as I do feel slightly better so I want to check my levels again. Obviously I would rather not go on TRT.
 
from the guys i have worked with those that stay on for 2 years are especially prone to having major issues recovering .. it can be done but it will take a lot of effort.

my advice is don't go on HRT unless you are absolutely sure you have exhausted all remedies. many guys (especially guys like the OP who have little knowledge on this) just listen to the doc and go on and the doc never informs them that even these creams will cause major problems long term and they may never be able to recover without moving a mountain.

my strategy for guys who want to recover is HCG, HMG blasting. then running a low dose SERM along with natty supps.. DAA/unleashed/forged pct, etc.. mr supps has a PCT stack that would cover the natty side of it. then wait 3 weeks and get tested.. see where you are at.. then go back and repeat that pct again... wait 3 weeks.. get tested... do that 3-4 times but stretch it out. hopefully your body will pick up from there.
 
on the dosages hcg 1000iu's every 3-4 days.. HMG each amp is usually 75iu's so run that alongside hcg 3-4 hits of it. yes its pricey but it really does wonders boosting your LH

clomid 12-25mg ED or EOD. if you get negative sides from it drop the dose. and the natty supps can be run the whole way through if you can afford it. otherwise do 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.
 
Thanks for reply, so this is what you recommend running forever? Just wondering because if I have low levels normally isn't it going to drop back after stopping use? I will obviously know more tomorrow or Monday after getting my 2nd round of blooded back of course.
 
^^ you shouldn't have to run it forever at your age hopefully you will recover and your body will produce ample test on its own and can put off HRT for years to come.. RADAR is 60 and still not on HRT, it can be done if you cycle smartly. but if you run long cycles and stay on long periods of time it will catch up to you fast. also guys who started juicing in their teens or early 20's will be on HRT sooner of course.

i used to plan on hrt in my late 40's.. then as i started running PCT's successfully and easily i said 50's.. fuck now i don't ever plan on doing HRT until atleast my 60's or even later.
 
I understand the PCT protocol, but my levels at 23yrs were 400s so I was low to start with. With this protocol do you think these a chance to come back better then my low test levels were 8yrs ago?
 
Yup I agree with steve here. Run that protocol, with some HCGenerate alongside, and see if that won't help jumpstart your natty production.

Worst case scenario, you don't get back to good natty levels, so what? You'll be pinning sust every 10 days. That's not so bad...
 
my numbers naturally are at 455 man. and i am fine. i was able to put on a lot of mass naturally as well as do very well as an endurance athlete and I'm not that athletic of a guy. it was the hard work i put into it that got me where i needed to go.

a lot of how you feel is on your lifestyle.. even if you eat great and workout. if you have a nagging wife/kids, and a shitty/stressful job you can feel blah from it.. some guys have T levels that are twice that and still feel like shit and guys have levels half that and feel great. a lot of it is psychological.

its like that great feeling you have the first few dates with a chick, then once you know her a few months you get bored from the same pussy.. so i tell people all the time its good to switch up routines constantly. switch up music you listen to when you workout.. hell evens witch gyms so get a new environment. i worked out at the same gym for 5 years could never break my PR.. i changed gyms and within 3 months I set new PR's. its such a mental thing
 
I just got done running second 4 week clomid and hcg protocol. I've been done for about 2 weeks so I actually just ran bloods today like 5 min ago. They will be in tomorrow i imagine. I have also been continuously running hcgenerate, d-aspartic acid, and tribulus of course..
 
Well I wouldn't give up quite yet bro, if you were suppressed for a long period you can still recover, it just takes a little more time and effort
 
Great post and probably nailed me on that one. I work a reg. 40ur a week job, have a bunch of rental property aka slum loard, a independent 24hr gym, and my supplement business. 2 or 3 days a week I don't see my kids at all some times.





stevesmi said:
my numbers naturally are at 455 man. and i am fine. i was able to put on a lot of mass naturally as well as do very well as an endurance athlete and I'm not that athletic of a guy. it was the hard work i put into it that got me where i needed to go.

a lot of how you feel is on your lifestyle.. even if you eat great and workout. if you have a nagging wife/kids, and a shitty/stressful job you can feel blah from it.. some guys have T levels that are twice that and still feel like shit and guys have levels half that and feel great. a lot of it is psychological.

its like that great feeling you have the first few dates with a chick, then once you know her a few months you get bored from the same pussy.. so i tell people all the time its good to switch up routines constantly. switch up music you listen to when you workout.. hell evens witch gyms so get a new environment. i worked out at the same gym for 5 years could never break my PR.. i changed gyms and within 3 months I set new PR's. its such a mental thing
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I owned rentals for about a decade bro. i got rid of them all and everytime my phone rings my heart to this day skips a beat. i had tenants calling me at 2am because the hot water heater was leaking as if they couldn't wait till the morning to call me about that. i've had tenants tell me the house was flooding, i drove 100mph through rain to get to the house to find the toilet was backing up and there was some puddles in the bathroom.

i actually fucked up a relationship from that stress it put me through. so that will definately ruin your health, looking back not sure how i ever dealt with it all those years without pulling my hair out... never again bro... people who aren't landlords have no clue how stressful it is. they just think we collect rent every month and thats it.. they don't get the repairs, maintenance, lawn, roof, mortgage, taxes, insurance, HOA's, dealing with tenants/lawyers etc etc. they think if a tenant doesn't pay we get to kick them out and get someone new like its that easy. as if you take them to court and win and you will ever see a dime from them anyway. had a guy tell me "so what if your tenant doesn't pay and trashes the house, just take them to court" how is a tenant gonna come up with 10K from damages when they can't even afford 1K a month rent? people are stupid man
 
LOL..I totally understand I have 31 units over 7 building and 2 of them are an hour from where I live. If the economy wouldn't of tanked I would sell for sure. I'm what you called stuck.
 
^^^ look into short saleing it man. stop making payments and keep collecting rent.. banks are taking 2 years to foreclose and they won't do it if you are in a short sale process.. i know a guy who hasn't paid in 5 years and the bank still hasn't foreclosed on him yet.. your credit takes a hit but its worth the money you save. the bank may come back for the rent you collected but you can negotatie with them if you hire the right realtor/lawyer to handle it for you

the feds are encouraging banks to allow short sales, alll you have to do is show you are spending more than you are bringing in + if your building tanked in value that would be a clincher as well. banks would rather you short sale than foreclose

Nicolas cage short sold his million dollar house simply because he showed he was spending more than bringing in. you can make millions in income and still qualify
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
i will look into that.
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check this out.. my old neighbor did this.. paid 400K for his house, now its only worth 200K.

he went and bought a house in the neighborhood for 200K under his name. the house he was in now was in his wives name. then he short sold his house for 200K to his tenant. so essentially he saved 200K and got to stay in the same neighborhood and moved into a bigger house.

and the tenant who bought his house short sold his prior house too lol.

there are all kinds of BS going on right now and banks are too stupid to care nor do they want to care. its a win/win/win for everyone.. the banks just write off the loss and move on.. banks are more concerned with getting underwater mortgages off their books and are willing to take these small hits. the big banks are still making profits right now and the smaller thrift banks are making crazy profits off smaller loans and fees. so everyone is happy

you could short sale your building to someone you knew for cash cheap, just need the bank to approve it. and then turn around and buy it back from him and let him keep 10K or something.
 
Ya and my credit is already fucked up. 12 of my units are in a getto the tenets even say they are the projects..LOL..Shootings, stabings, a few fatalities. Them are the ones I want out of.
 
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