Awesome UFO clip

[Frackal]

Just downloaded one of the famous UFO clips that somehow got out from one of the nasa shuttle missions.....

Basically shows a white object moving at a high speed above the earths atmosphere.... then you see a flash of light and the object rockets off at almost the exact opposite direction, seconds later a streak of something (railgun???) shoots right through where the UFO was seconds earlier



http://bjbooth.topcities.com/UFO_on_NASA_Shuttle_Video.mpeg

 

[starfish]

 

[Lift Chief]

Whats up with the two white things shooting into the sky?

 

[Frackal]

Ok basically here is what is happening. This video was taken from a US space shuttle.

The first white object you see coming from the right and moving along earth's orbit is the UFO. When it gets close to the corner of the screen, you see a flash of light and the UFO immediately changes direction and flyes at great speed towards the upper right hand corner of the screen.

Less than a second later you see whatever was fired at it (railgun perhaps? not a missile I dont think) fly through where the UFO was milliseconds before....

The astronaut then follows the UFO until the clip ends...

Cannot name a single known terrestrial vehicle that can change direction and speed that quickly, and avoid getting hit by whatever that object was.... Railgun perhaps is my guess...but I really dont know

 

[big4life]

That could be anything from space junk hitting the earth's atmosphere at the wrong angle and bouncing off, to E.T.'s friends coming for him.


He should have phoned home.

 

[Testosterone boy]

That is not the most convincing UFO evidence I have seen. Interesting though. Origin of "rail gun"?

 

[starfish]

What is a rail gun?

If aliens exist, I have someone who needs to shipped into outer space

 

[sermon_of_mockery]

rail gun is what arnie shot in that one cheesy ass movie,can't remember the name.Sweet gun though.

 

[Frackal]

A rail gun from what I understand is a weapon that uses electromagnetic acceleration techniques to shoot a (likely round?) object through a barrel at extremely high velocity....I know the navy has played with them for a long time....that was a vague guess, it just struck me as that when I saw the video...

BB4life....space junk? ...doubtful....since when does something double its speed when it bounces off of another object? Note the flash of light and missile object (that looks like it would have missed anyway) pass through the path of the UFO..

 

[Testosterone boy]

That was really SlicesOfPeach, they ejected her into outer space. As she was floating along, she had a monstorous protein fart and it zipped her away.


Seriously though, that was nuts... I do believe in aliens/UFO's...


Frack, listen to this:

http://www.rescue5.com/download/ra/ufosighting.rm

That robbed 6 minutes from my life.

 

[big4life]

Here is a link to how a rail gun is supposed to work in theory.

http://home.insightbb.com/~jmengel4/rail/rail-intro.html#rail



I don't see it working, at least not now and not at the size that it would need to be, to knock a UFO out of the sky.

 

[Frackal]

I'm downloading a better quality version of this now....here is the link:


http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/

 

[Frackal]

Glad to see you are making an educated guess on that BB4life

 

[HighIntensity]

im suprised that a man of your inteligence believes in space men

 

[big_bad_buff]

i did this once.

take:

8-10 balloons filled with helium, duck tape them together, then rap them all in aluminum foil, take one small(watch size) battery, attached it to a small flash light bulb. then attach this to the bottom of the balloons, this will light it up a little.

me and 2 friends did this at a softball game in the woods, right before dark. no one saw it until it was about 150 yards in the air...it was so funny, they stopped the game and watched it untill it was to high to see.

we were going to try to make a huge one in my parents shop with like 30 balloons, and record it..but we never did.

 

[Testosterone boy]

im suprised that a man of your inteligence believes in space men

He dreams of space....boys. J/K

 

[Testosterone boy]

What life?



j/k

Yeh...well I'm determined to get it back. The FracK stole about 10 more minutes with those "clips."

 

[Testosterone boy]

We have a real problem with space junk. All kinds of old satellites and shit bouncin around and stuff. They fall out of orbit and do their own thing.

 

[HighIntensity]

Cmon HI, you're not that naive about it are you?

You seriously think we are the *only* forms of life in this galaxy?

did I say that darktoot, I just don't believe they are chillen here.

 

[big4life]

Sorry, but I don't see little green men or government conspiracies behind every flash of light in the sky.

Are there other forms of life out there? Probably, but everybody has a preconceived idea of what they are going to look like, so we will probably never really know.

 

[minion]

"Aliens" are stoopid...

 

[Frackal]

im suprised that a man of your inteligence believes in space men

What I generally enjoy is that most of you skeptics not only have not done any research on the topic at all, but have the laziest and most pathetic arguments against their existance or presence.

Spend a thousand hours or so researching and reading about the subject, then come back to me with an educated opinion.

If you're going to make an argument to the contrary, address it with at the very least a logical arguement against the fact.. All I have heard so far is "i dont believe in little green men" .. "aliens are stoopid..." and "i dont believe they are chillen out there"


And FYI, the majority of leading UFO researchers are extremely bright individuals with the degrees to match.

 

[Testosterone boy]

 

[Golfer18--old]

If it is true look at it this way. We just fired what we think is an advanced weapon and it basically didn't give two shits aobut it. If it is aliens I am sure they are laughing their asses off at our stupidity.

 

[Lift Chief]

If it is true look at it this way. We just fired what we think is an advanced weapon and it basically didn't give two shits aobut it. If it is aliens I am sure they are laughing their asses off at our stupidity.

Whatever that thing was it certianly hauled ass away from earth once it saw what was coming.

I hope that really wasnt an alien or whatever, and i really hope we didnt fire on it cause that means we don't know what the hell is going on in this country. Lousy ignorance.

 

[big4life]

I'm sorry, but if this is really some Earth shaking video proving that aliens exist, that the government wanted to hide from the public, why is it on the Internet?

Why hasn't the government made this video disappear?

Why haven't any of the major news organizations gotten hold of this startling video?

Do you think that if this video was widely available and real, that none of the news groups would touch it?

 

[Lift Chief]

I'm sorry, but if this is really some Earth shaking video proving that aliens exist, that the government wanted to hide from the public, why is it on the Internet?

Why hasn't the government made this video disappear?

Why haven't any of the major news organizations gotten hold of this startling video?

Do you think that if this video was widely available and real, that none of the news groups would touch it?

Good question- but i do know once something is on the internet it can't be destroyed.

 

[big4life]

Good question- but i do know once something is on the internet it can't be destroyed.

The point is, it would have never made it to the Net.

 

[Frackal]

This was a live video transmission from a NASA shuttle. According the website, NASA is no longer doing these sort of live transmissions.

And I also think you overestimate the government's abilities.

Also, it is fully possible that this video may not in fact be of a UFO...none of us are experts...if there even is such a thing... however, from the extensive amount of reading I have done in the past has me as convinced as one without physical proof can be as to the presence of extra terrestrial entities in our solar system.

Therefore, when I see a video of this nature, which has had to make it through alot of skepticism to be well regarded, my first opinion of it is going to be that it is indeed a UFO, which was indeed fired upon by something else.

 

[gettinlarger]

Cool vid Frackal. I don't know quite what to make of it, but I am a believer that there is life somewhere else besides this planet. I've always been interested in this sort of thing.

That fact that it stops on a dime and goes in the opposite direction is pretty weird.

 

[Kalashnikov]

How many stars are in our galaxy? I've heard the figure of about 250 billion. If this figure is even remotely correct, then it would be safe to assume that there are many planets with intelligent life. Whether or not our government is covering up some sort of conspiracy is a different story. I think that an alien landing in some farmers field and abducting him is just as likely as one landing on top of the Empire State building in broad daylight. I don't think earth has been visited by alien life, yet when and if they do, I think they will simply reveal themselves to us.

 

[Frackal]

Glad you are able to fathom the mind of an alien entity.

 

[Pamela]

If we are here alone.
Where did the idea of Aliens come from anyway?

Has anyone thought about this?

Frackal do you listen to Art Bell?

 

[Radical Ice]

Rense.com is also good...

 

[Frackal]

Used to listen to Art Bell a bit Pamela, not much anymore. Love you

 

[minion]

My previous comment was pure sarcasm. It also summarizes most skeptics opinion.

"There are roughly 400 billion other stars in our Galaxy, and nearly 100 billion other galaxies. It would be extraordinary if we were the only thinking beings in all these enormous realms."

http://www.seti-inst.edu/faq.html

This is still the tip of the iceberg in reguards to extraterrestrial life. We still havn't mapped all of terrestrial life. For those that assume there is nothing outside of our bubble is akin to the once held belief that "the world is flat".

This is not a matter of faith on anyone's part. However it would be a leap of faith on the skeptic's part to think we're alone. In fact I would be more suprised if we were the only beings in the cosmos.

 

[Frackal]

40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars.

 

[minion]

40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars you say but that's only in within our realm of understanding. When you begin to delve into the aspect of possibility the numbers have no precedent. Case in point:

"Imagine a point - a singularity. That's the 0th dimension. Only one point exists. Everything within this universe exists at exactly the same place.

Now run a coordinate axis through the point. Suddenly you've got a line. Everything within this coordinate system has a single coordinate - we'll call it the x coordinate, and we'll call the axis the x axis. That's the 1st dimension. You probably know it as a number line from algebra.

Now run a new axis perpendicular to the x axis. We'll call it the y axis. Now everything addressable has two coordinates, an x and a y coordinate. This is 2-space, a plane, the 2nd dimension. We can put points anywhere on this infinite plane.

Now we're going to run an axis perendicular to the x and y axes. We'll call this new axis z. We now have 3-space, the 3rd dimension. We can address points in space - we can describe a cube or a sphere.

Now we will induce a mindfuck. Run a fourth axis perpendicular to your x, y, and z axes. We'll call this the w axis. Impossible, you say? Can't find a directon that will place this new line perpendicular to all the others? That's because you probably cannot concieve of this direction. You can't move in it, you can't see it, and you probably can't think of it in anything but an abstract way because you have no experience with it. Depending on which physicists you listen to, this dimension is either too damn small (see string theory), only gravity propagates in its direction (will try to find reference), or it dosen't physically exist. This is the fourth dimension. It may or may not have physical relevance, but mathematically it's completely valid, and even necessary for modelling certain things in 3-space such as temparature in a solid (anything that's a function of 3 variables can describe a four-space curve).

You can continue adding as many new dimensions as you please, without compromising validity. AFAIK the greatest number of physical dimensions that have been seriously speculated is seven (again, they are too damn small for you to interact with), but the magic of math lets you deal with n-space. Mathematically, adding more dimenstions is sufficiently trivial that textbooks may introduce extra dimensions without fanfare."

If the varibles make no sense try to imagine adding nano theory, sting theory, quantum physics, metaphysics, ect, ect, ect... The list is as long as what is left to be known.

 

[Delinquent]

40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars you say but that's only in within our realm of understanding. When you begin to delve into the aspect of possibility the numbers have no precedent. Case in point:

"Imagine a point - a singularity. That's the 0th dimension. Only one point exists. Everything within this universe exists at exactly the same place.

Now run a coordinate axis through the point. Suddenly you've got a line. Everything within this coordinate system has a single coordinate - we'll call it the x coordinate, and we'll call the axis the x axis. That's the 1st dimension. You probably know it as a number line from algebra.

Now run a new axis perpendicular to the x axis. We'll call it the y axis. Now everything addressable has two coordinates, an x and a y coordinate. This is 2-space, a plane, the 2nd dimension. We can put points anywhere on this infinite plane.

Now we're going to run an axis perendicular to the x and y axes. We'll call this new axis z. We now have 3-space, the 3rd dimension. We can address points in space - we can describe a cube or a sphere.

Now we will induce a mindfuck. Run a fourth axis perpendicular to your x, y, and z axes. We'll call this the w axis. Impossible, you say? Can't find a directon that will place this new line perpendicular to all the others? That's because you probably cannot concieve of this direction. You can't move in it, you can't see it, and you probably can't think of it in anything but an abstract way because you have no experience with it. Depending on which physicists you listen to, this dimension is either too damn small (see string theory), only gravity propagates in its direction (will try to find reference), or it dosen't physically exist. This is the fourth dimension. It may or may not have physical relevance, but mathematically it's completely valid, and even necessary for modelling certain things in 3-space such as temparature in a solid (anything that's a function of 3 variables can describe a four-space curve).

You can continue adding as many new dimensions as you please, without compromising validity. AFAIK the greatest number of physical dimensions that have been seriously speculated is seven (again, they are too damn small for you to interact with), but the magic of math lets you deal with n-space. Mathematically, adding more dimenstions is sufficiently trivial that textbooks may introduce extra dimensions without fanfare."

If the varibles make no sense try to imagine adding nano theory, sting theory, quantum physics, metaphysics, ect, ect, ect... The list is as long as what is left to be known.

Bad ass read man

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars you say but that's only in within our realm of understanding. When you begin to delve into the aspect of possibility the numbers have no precedent. Case in point:

"Imagine a point - a singularity. That's the 0th dimension. Only one point exists. Everything within this universe exists at exactly the same place.

Now run a coordinate axis through the point. Suddenly you've got a line. Everything within this coordinate system has a single coordinate - we'll call it the x coordinate, and we'll call the axis the x axis. That's the 1st dimension. You probably know it as a number line from algebra.

Now run a new axis perpendicular to the x axis. We'll call it the y axis. Now everything addressable has two coordinates, an x and a y coordinate. This is 2-space, a plane, the 2nd dimension. We can put points anywhere on this infinite plane.

Now we're going to run an axis perendicular to the x and y axes. We'll call this new axis z. We now have 3-space, the 3rd dimension. We can address points in space - we can describe a cube or a sphere.

Now we will induce a mindfuck. Run a fourth axis perpendicular to your x, y, and z axes. We'll call this the w axis. Impossible, you say? Can't find a directon that will place this new line perpendicular to all the others? That's because you probably cannot concieve of this direction. You can't move in it, you can't see it, and you probably can't think of it in anything but an abstract way because you have no experience with it. Depending on which physicists you listen to, this dimension is either too damn small (see string theory), only gravity propagates in its direction (will try to find reference), or it dosen't physically exist. This is the fourth dimension. It may or may not have physical relevance, but mathematically it's completely valid, and even necessary for modelling certain things in 3-space such as temparature in a solid (anything that's a function of 3 variables can describe a four-space curve).

You can continue adding as many new dimensions as you please, without compromising validity. AFAIK the greatest number of physical dimensions that have been seriously speculated is seven (again, they are too damn small for you to interact with), but the magic of math lets you deal with n-space. Mathematically, adding more dimenstions is sufficiently trivial that textbooks may introduce extra dimensions without fanfare."

If the varibles make no sense try to imagine adding nano theory, sting theory, quantum physics, metaphysics, ect, ect, ect... The list is as long as what is left to be known.

Very wise man...This also applies to the spirit realm IMO.

 

[Wombat]

This video was on one of those UFO shows almost a year ago-----.......Their were experts saying that it was a "UFO" and we did fire at it to experts saying it was Ice buildup on the windows or something like that to sun(light reflections)-----

The way I see it is If there are UFOs etc---(which I believe there is) Our government is working with them to some extent....

And with that said, their is no way our government is going to shoot them out of the sky....

What I believe that video was, was a "UFO" we designed and the two shots were us testing a weapon system.....The video taking this from space also shows me that it was ours.......

just an opinion but we will never know in this life time

 

[rickcorso]

I think the real question that needs to be answered is not if life exists on other planets, but rather if extra terrestrial life has in fact visited Earth. I for one strongly believe there is life on other planets...however Im very skeptic to all the claims of abductions and sightings.

 

[Frackal]

- Could very well be us testing a weapon's system

- Would wonder however what kind of craft can manuever in that fashion

- Getting tired of people eliminating possibilities with the logic "well I figure" ... you have no clue if we are working with the beings responsible for these craft. If we are, you do not know if to what depth it runs in the government, nor any of the details... eliminating the possibility that it was a UFO because 'you figure' they are 'working with the government' is really ridiculous...

 

[HighIntensity]

point is frack have you ever seen an alien, no. Will you, no. So this thread is a mood point, aliens will have no effect on you life either way; based on that logic they do not existice (sp) are far as your understanding is concerned.

 

[Frackal]

Have you ever seen an electron?

No.

Will you?

No.

Do they affect your life?

Absolutely.

 

[danielson]

whatever we fired its got damned good reaction times and acceleration

how on earth can we do that and not respond to other threats in such a speedy manner

also,...i guess we'l never know what it was. something caused a pretty damn big flash though....why would the sun do so iof its constantly emitting light?

 

[Testosterone boy]

point is frack have you ever seen an alien, no. Will you, no. So this thread is a mood point, aliens will have no effect on you life either way; based on that logic they do not existice (sp) are far as your understanding is concerned.

Have you ever seen a vagina? NO

Will you ever see a vagina? NO

Does that bother you? NO

 

[Imnotdutch]

Electrons can be seen. Experiments have been done that collapse the electrons wave packet and pin it down to a particular place. This is one way in which the theory behind electron orbitals has been confirmed.

If this weren't the case, electrons would remain a theory that explains many scientific observations. There are many observations, that are obtained under carefully controlled conditions, that would be tough to explain without inferring the existence of electrons. I hope that you are not suggesting that the same is true for UFO's........

I think that people infer the existence of UFO's in a similar manner as people are quick to suggest an observation that has no immediate epxlanation is due to God.

I am not naive enough to deny the possibility of UFO's existing......I just think that people need to use their brain more before jumping at the chance of using them as an explanation of something.

Have you ever seen an electron?

No.

Will you?

No.

Do they affect your life?

Absolutely.

 

[BigRedCat]

People that dont think aliens are and have been visiting this planet since human existance are hanging on too tightly to their bible and their pre-conceived notions of life. The people that run the secret alien projects are counting on sheep citizens to disregard any kind of possibility of alien life. If you were to realize how much of an impact on ALL of us these beings make you might open your mind to the infinite possibilities instead of worrying about which SUV to buy or what color Abercrombie & Fitch shirt to get.

Our history is tied to theirs. Fairies,angels,monsters- where did these stories come from? Coincidence? Not possible. People around the world have all described the same identical experiences with these beings. These people are not all crazy, not all sick. They are normal people that have experienced extraordinary things.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Electrons can be seen. Experiments have been done that collapse the electrons wave packet and pin it down to a particular place. This is one way in which the theory behind electron orbitals has been confirmed.

If this weren't the case, electrons would remain a theory that explains many scientific observations. There are many observations, that are obtained under carefully controlled conditions, that would be tough to explain without inferring the existence of electrons. I hope that you are not suggesting that the same is true for UFO's........

I think that people infer the existence of UFO's in a similar manner as people are quick to suggest an observation that has no immediate epxlanation is due to God.

I am not naive enough to deny the possibility of UFO's existing......I just think that people need to use their brain more before jumping at the chance of using them as an explanation of something.

Here is a perfect example of how useless te karma system is. This guy consistently posts useful, thought out, and highly enlightened posts. Yet he has less karma than ....me?

Hell....I'm mostly a smart ass.

 

[HighIntensity]

Have you ever seen a vagina? NO

Will you ever see a vagina? NO

Does that bother you? NO

I said ill send you the link on this here web sit to my ex if you want to jerk off to fine ass, for now stop sweating my nuts stretch.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Our history is tied to theirs. Fairies,angels,monsters- where did these stories come from? Coincidence? Not possible. People around the world have all described the same identical experiences with these beings. These people are not all crazy, not all sick. They are normal people that have experienced extraordinary things. [/B]

Huh? What about all those stories of squid, octopus, sharks, and whales larger that the ships themselves? They even drew pictures of ships going down under the grip of a mighty octopus or squid.

People see shit that didn't happen all the damn time. Just watch the typical ref or umpire work. Not to mention the fact that people get drunk, high etc. Shoot....I thought my car resembled a space craft once.

 

[minion]

Here is a perfect example of how useless te karma system is. This guy consistently posts useful, thought out, and highly enlightened posts. Yet he has less karma than ....me?

Hell....I'm mostly a smart ass.

You don't receive KARMA here for thought out intelligent post. Its had by showing tits and ass.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I said ill send you the link on this here web sit to my ex if you want to jerk off to fine ass, for now stop sweating my nuts stretch.

Dang HI....lighten up man. Most could see that my post was good natured humor.

 

[Frackal]

Electrons can be seen. Experiments have been done that collapse the electrons wave packet and pin it down to a particular place. This is one way in which the theory behind electron orbitals has been confirmed.

I know electrons can be viewed and that is how they learned about valence shells .. My point to HI was just becuase you do not see something does not negate it's existance in any fashion...there are PICTURES of ufos, clear as day, and not all of them are fake by any means.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I know electrons can be viewed and that is how they learned about valence shells .. My point to HI was just becuase you do not see something does not negate it's existance in any fashion...there are PICTURES of ufos, clear as day, and not all of them are fake by any means.

Can that be proved? If it could be proved that the photos are real then that proves UFO's exist and it is the end of any debate.

I've never seen an official NASA type designation that says "This UFO picture is REAL."

 

[minion]

point is frack have you ever seen an alien, no. Will you, no. So this thread is a mood point, aliens will have no effect on you life either way; based on that logic they do not existice (sp) are far as your understanding is concerned.

Actaully the thread is about UFO's. In that respect I have seen a UFO. I wasn't alone either three of my friends were there as well.

One of my friends concurs with me to the letter. The other is very skeptical of what he thinks he saw. The other hardly remembers anything from the event. This was 9 years ago.

I don't think it was an alien craft. More than likely a working prototype. It had non-conventional propulsion some type of aniti gravity which is a wide range in thoery. It was shaped like an isosceles triangle with very smooth corners. The color was a flat matte balck. There was a panel of lights under the belly of the air craft that was rectangular in shape, yet the lights were shining forward. Its size was immense about the size of a bomber. It hovered past at an estimated 5-10mph. It was so low that is seemed you could climb onto the roof of the house and jump onto the craft. It made no sound, none.

Before the skeptics chime in and call bull shit do your research first. For example there were working prototypes of the F-117 and B2 as far back as the 70's. They were considered classified earlier on than what is officialy known.

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/F_117A_Nighthawk.html
http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_2_Spirit.html

 

[BigRedCat]

Personally, I think if you dont believe there are aliens visiting us on a regular basis that you are retarded and or learning disabled. Just my opinion. Do some research people, its all right in front of you. Is there any proof of God? Didn't think so...yet people have put a hella lot of effort into behaving in a certain manner "for" God or because they are afraid. There is more evidence for UFO's and aliens than for God. Think about that a bit.

 

[minion]

Even if there was undeniable proof, it would still be alien by origin.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Here is a perfect example of how useless te karma system is. This guy consistently posts useful, thought out, and highly enlightened posts. Yet he has less karma than ....me?

Hell....I'm mostly a smart ass.

You F**ker........you said all that and then didn't give me any karma. Bastard........

 

[Imnotdutch]

Ok lets see..........

It is retarded to not believe in something that I have seen no evidence for??

I assume that you refer to internet research?? You are aware that things posted on the internet don't have to be strictly true right?!! But anyway, I like to think that I have an open mind so why don't you post some of your evidence so that I (and the other board members) can see what we make of it.

Why do you refer to God? I don't believe in him / her either.

Personally, I think if you dont believe there are aliens visiting us on a regular basis that you are retarded and or learning disabled. Just my opinion. Do some research people, its all right in front of you. Is there any proof of God? Didn't think so...yet people have put a hella lot of effort into behaving in a certain manner "for" God or because they are afraid. There is more evidence for UFO's and aliens than for God. Think about that a bit.

 

[t3c]

in the video

you can rule out the idea that we were testing a weapon system...because nasa knew they were transmitting live to the country...why would they test a weapon system on national televison

 

[gymrat]

in the video

you can rule out the idea that we were testing a weapon system...because nasa knew they were transmitting live to the country...why would they test a weapon system on national televison

good point.

I think these threads are very interesting and fun to read. lol

 

[Frackal]

Ok lets see..........

It is retarded to not believe in something that I have seen no evidence for??

I assume that you refer to internet research?? You are aware that things posted on the internet don't have to be strictly true right?!! But anyway, I like to think that I have an open mind so why don't you post some of your evidence so that I (and the other board members) can see what we make of it.

Why do you refer to God? I don't believe in him / her either.

The evidence isnt going to just come sit down in your lap bro.... at least admit your opinion is largely based on nothing more than a lack of research. The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Imnotdutch]

The evidence isnt going to just come sit down in your lap bro.... at least admit your opinion is largely based on nothing more than a lack of research. The evidence is overwhelming.

Oh I've looked.......and what I have found is unconvincing at best. Now show me some of your really convincing evidence. Where is the 'overwhelming' evidence that you speak of?? It should be easy to show me if it really is overwhelming........

I'm sure that you are also aware that it is impossible to prove a negative.......but to prove somethnig exists is easy........so feel free to unload all of this proof.

The ball is in your court..........

 

[Testosterone boy]

I neither believe or disblieve in aliens. But one has to admit that the way the WTC came tumbling down is almost impossible. Almost. Food for two seconds of thought anyways.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I neither believe or disblieve in aliens. But one has to admit that the way the WTC came tumbling down is almost impossible. Almost. Food for two seconds of thought anyways.

I was actually impressed by the way they remained standing for so long. They were hit by some serious tonnage that was moving at a few hundred mph........thats a serious impact and they took it.

Do you think E.T. was involved? Mebbe he was trying to get home? I am seriously interested in the answer......

 

[Kalashnikov]

The evidence isnt going to just come sit down in your lap bro.... at least admit your opinion is largely based on nothing more than a lack of research. The evidence is overwhelming.

If the evidence that we have already been visited by alien life forms were overwhelming, a large percentage of scientists in related fields would support this theory and would believe the same as you do. This is not the case.

 

[Imnotdutch]

If the evidence that we have already been visited by alien life forms were overwhelming, a large percentage of scientists in related fields would support this theory and would believe the same as you do. This is not the case.

I agree.......very good point. I'm very interested to see what evidence can be put before those of us that are apparently too lazy to look properly.

 

[HighIntensity]

the key here is the odds, if as you all are claiming ufo's and aliens are visting the earth frequently then odds would be in your favor that at some point we would have a 'true' encounter with these beings.

Not blury photos, wild accounts...but real life evidence backed by thousands of people. How much of this evidence is out there of this kind, none?

Trust me if ufo's were cruising our atmospher, it would be a top priority of the goverment. We are an aggressive society that solves problems with defense and war. Unless you believe GW is having talks with the green people as we speak, in hopes of peace.

Until I see some true evidence, and again odds say there should be some by now...ufo's are just anoth lockness monster, yeti, bigfoot, ect. The human mind has a propencity twords inventing solutions to that it does not understand.

 

[minion]

The human mind has a propencity twords inventing solutions to that it does not understand.

That's a two way street.

I'm dissapointed, why hasn't anyone challenged MY UFO story mentioned previously in this thread?

 

[Testosterone boy]

I was actually impressed by the way they remained standing for so long. They were hit by some serious tonnage that was moving at a few hundred mph........thats a serious impact and they took it.

Do you think E.T. was involved? Mebbe he was trying to get home? I am seriously interested in the answer......

No....I just think their perfect collapse was a bit of a miracle. I've seen a lot of miracle type things though. Part of the reason I think there is something besides people running the show.

I seriously doubt there was anything more than pissed off Arabs involved with the WTC though. BTW....I did predict that would be a terrorist attack victim. Oh well.

 

[Testosterone boy]

You F**ker........you said all that and then didn't give me any karma. Bastard........

Prolly because I think karma is useless. I think it shows if you are lining Spellwins pockets by buying product.

If I have something good to say, I don't hide it under a karma post. But you got your karma anyways. I know you are worried about that.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Prolly because I think karma is useless. I think it shows if you are lining Spellwins pockets by buying product.

If I have something good to say, I don't hide it under a karma post. But you got your karma anyways. I know you are worried about that.

Lol.......you saw straight through me. I'm the biggest Karma whore on here. Karma is my life.

Oh now I see what you are up to.......your quietly trying to get some in return whilst trying not to ask for it huh. Why else would you announce that you gave me some??

 

[Testosterone boy]

Lol.......you saw straight through me. I'm the biggest Karma whore on here. Karma is my life.

Oh now I see what you are up to.......your quietly trying to get some in return whilst trying not to ask for it huh. Why else would you announce that you gave me some??

I lose sleep worrying about my karma!

The reason I don't like the karma thing is I have never seen who gave me 95% of my karma. I hardly ever look and feel inconsiderate for essentially ignoring the senders of karma. It is impossible to review ones karma history I hear.

 

[Frackal]

If the evidence that we have already been visited by alien life forms were overwhelming, a large percentage of scientists in related fields would support this theory and would believe the same as you do. This is not the case.

I love statements like this...have you taken a census kalashnikov? You are aware that often unpopular ideas in science may or may not be correct, but they are ignored for various reasons.


Secondly to Imnotdutch:

By overwhelming evidence I am referring to collections of UFO reports, pictures, videos etc by CREDIBLE witnesses.....this primarily includes military personal, credible civilians...hell, even president Jimmy Carter has stated he has seen a UFO...as I understand it he actually tried to get information about them from
DCI George Bush but was denied... (if they were just top secret planes...why deny the president?)

I am going to eat at the moment, but I can give you some names of books that are collections of reports and other such evidence...

As far as overwhelming evidence.... there are a few possible "smoking guns" ... but no actual ALIEN BODY or whatever you skeptics demand.... one example of a possible smooking gun in the Roswell case is pretty interesting... I can go into it in more detail later, but the General (Twining??) that was photographed with Jesse Marcel with the 'balloon wreckage" was holding a memo in his hand in some of the photos...

In one of the photos, it is not possible by computer enhancement to read this memo... the memo speaks of a crashed 'disc'.

Besides...Roswell Army Air Base was home to the 509th Bomb group... the ONLY one of its kind at the time in the world..the ones who flew the atomic bombs to Japan.... they first announced that what had crashed was a flying saucer...then said it was "just a weather balloon".... surprising blunder for the most elite bomber wing in the world.... Even I could tell the difference between a weather balloon and a spaceship....

In truth, not a single one of you skeptics has presented anything even remotely substantial as an argument....shitty arguments like "i dont believe in little green men" does not cut it....

Even what I have typed above is quite substantial. Particularly the point about US intelligence officers mistaking balloons for a flying disc.


Oh...Imnotdutch...curious as to exactly uh what research you have done on this issue .. since you obviously feel quite qualified to make your claims. Please specify.

 

[BigRedCat]

First of all, the genral "government" knows nothing of any of this. Think about it, we cant have every idiot running around with knowledge of this. It would be a small and secretive group of military guys that would be running this program. Secondly, it is their # priority to figure out what the aliens are doing with us and if they are a danger. Why do you think area 51 exists? Because the alien phenomenon is BS? Why do you think there are thousands upon thousands of people who report the same thing? Keep in mind, many of these people do not even have access to things like TV or the internet to come up with "crazy" ideas like these.

Do you think if aliens come to abduct you they would allow you to snap some candid? Sure. Why not make a little video while your at it. Research these experiences a bit and you will find that people are paralyzed when in their presence. They lose hours and sometimes days of time. They have no idea where the time went. Why is this all so far fetched to some of you? It is no different than what we do to animals of all kinds. Tag and monitor. Simple as that. Any real evidence that pops up is very quickly gobbled up by whoever the hell is in charge of these things. That is why people sometimes "disappear" after calling up the military and saying they found such and such that looks like its alien in origin. If there WAS definitive proof then the whole planet would go into shock wouldn't they. It would debunk religion and cause havoc. Has any of this crossed your mind? This is the biggest cover-up in human history. If I was in charge of a project like this there is no way I would let it get out. It would cause so much turmoil that civilization would collapse under the fear of it all. Humans are content to keep believing they are the center of the universe and to wipe that concept away changes how you look at life completely!

If it was just dumb ass farmers saying they had been abducted fine, I would call liar to but it isn't the case. There are reports of people from ALL walks of life who claim this. Ex-military pilots,professors,fireman,all races,genders,all kinds of people from all kinds of places and in all countries. How do you explain that?

There have been implants removed from many abductees and the metal is of unknown origin. There are people who used to work at Area 51 who claim they worked with alien spacecraft and had seen their bodies.

The controversy over the existence of UFOs is over.
UFOs are real.
Only persons whose outlook prevents them from dealing honestly with the massive amount of documentation and reports collected over the past five decades still cling to the idea that nothing soars in the skies of Earth but man's imagination. Evidence accumulated over the past half-century clearly indicates that UFOs represent real and tangible objects exhibiting traits unlike anything that man can yet produce.

Of course, arguments and protestations will continue. But, whether you believe in them or not, UFOs are now part of our reality. Get a half-dozen people in a room and odds are at least one of them has had a personal UFO experience or knows someone who has.

While admittedly the UFO mystery is seriously deepened by the lack of hard physical evidence, anyone who can state unequivocally that UFOs do not exist either has neglected to study the massive amount of literature now available or is in a state of denial that no amount of evidence will penetrate.

Ok bear with me, hopefully you non-science people can follow this- for you non-believers I present the subject of the pyramids for example:

A look at the orientation of the Great Pyramid confirms its well-planned and sophisticated design. Each of its four sides precisely face the four points of the compass with only a one-twelfth degree of variation, which has been explained by the gradual movement of the Earth's axis rather than any mistake on the part of its designer. Also, there are slight differences due to damage by both man and nature, the height of the Great Pyramid is proportional to the radius of the Earth and the perimeter to the circumference. Measurements of the two base halves yield the numbers 365.256 and 365.259, the EXACT number of days it takes for the Earth to complete its orbit of the sun and the time it takes to return to its starting point in the elliptical orbit. More astounding is the fact that during the International Geophysical Year(1957-58)satelittle technology established that the Earth's mean polar radius was 150,265,030.4 British inches. One ten-millionth of this distance would be 25,0265 British inches- the exact figure found in three separate measurements inside the Great Pyramid. The number 25,000 also happens to be the distance from the Earth to the sun and the number of years in the precessional cycle, the time it takes for the Earth to pass through the twelve zodiacal constellations.

These amazing facts go far beyond any chance of coincidence or lucky guesswork. They tend to confirm the idea that whoever built the pyramids was in possession of astronomical and geophysical knowledge unsurpassed even today.

Using the North and South Poles, the equator, and the Earth's center as reference points, the pyramid accurately sections the entire planet into a three-dimensional grid of thirty,sixty and ninety degrees. Utilizing these grids, any aircraft can successfully navigate from the pyramid to any location on Earth with only minor deviation.

Many studies have shown that razor blades stay sharp longer and fruit ripens slower when places within a properly oriented pyramid- indicating some kind of power field.

I could go on and on. If you can explain these phenomena's, go right ahead.

 

[liquidmuscle]

do aliens juice?

 

[Kalashnikov]

I love statements like this...have you taken a census kalashnikov? You are aware that often unpopular ideas in science may or may not be correct, but they are ignored for various reasons.

Let me give you an example. Carl Sagan was one of the co-founders of The Planetary Society Committee
for the Scientific Investigation of Claims Of the Paranormal. Although he is not alive, he was an example of the type of scientist I referred to in my previous post. In a book he wrote, called The Demon-Haunted World, he explains how people who recognized him on the street, usually engage him in discussions about "little green men", men in black, UFO's, Roswell, etc.

The problem with these people is that they readily believe things they have heard without applying the scientific method. These conversations made him worry about the lack of education and increase of beliefs in pseudoscience among the average American.

As for the evidence you have described, the photos and vidoes are inconclusive, and the Roswell incident is basically a giant conspiracy theory, hardly scientific proof.

 

[Testosterone boy]

If I were into intergalactic travel, I would definitely stack rocks on each planet so that future generations would know I was chillin' in their digs.

 

[Kalashnikov]

Of course, arguments and protestations will continue. But, whether you believe in them or not, UFOs are now part of our reality. Get a half-dozen people in a room and odds are at least one of them has had a personal UFO experience or knows someone who has.

While admittedly the UFO mystery is seriously deepened by the lack of hard physical evidence, anyone who can state unequivocally that UFOs do not exist either has neglected to study the massive amount of literature now available or is in a state of denial that no amount of evidence will penetrate.

Ok bear with me, hopefully you non-science people can follow this- for you non-believers I present the subject of the pyramids for example:

A look at the orientation of the Great Pyramid confirms its well-planned and sophisticated design. Each of its four sides precisely face the four points of the compass with only a one-twelfth degree of variation, which has been explained by the gradual movement of the Earth's axis rather than any mistake on the part of its designer.

Many studies have shown that razor blades stay sharp longer and fruit ripens slower when places within a properly oriented pyramid- indicating some kind of power field.

I could go on and on. If you can explain these phenomena's, go right ahead.

This post is absolutely chock-full of pseudoscience. The Power of Pyramids? It's going to be difficult to argue with you when you post such ridiculous things. If you are getting your information on aliens and UFO's from the same place that you learned about pyramids from, it is easy to see why believe in alien abductions and government/military conspiracy theories.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Get a half-dozen people in a room and odds are at least one of them has had a personal UFO experience or knows someone who has.

 

[BigRedCat]

Pseudosciene eh?. I must have made up all those figures right? Ok since you think your knowledgeable on these matters lets see if you can figure this out:

Vertical erosion can come only from continous downpours of rain over long periods of time right? Since the Sphinx is supposed to have been built by Cheop's son, Kahfre, its creation has been placed around 2500B.C. and since no rainfall has occured on the Giza plateau-site of both the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid-since before 10,000 B.C. This can only mean that both structures were built more than seven thousand years prior to the Egyptians. How do explain that? Some of the pyramids stone blocks weigh almost two hundred tons yet are so well crafted that a single piece of paper cannot be slipped between them. At present time, there are only two land based cranes that could lift weight of this magnitude.

If you seriously have never heard of any sorts of powers associated with the great pyramids I would question your education. Ever heard of Nobel Prize winner Dr. Luis W. Alvarez? He did an investigation(with the full cooperation of the Egyptian government and the University of Cairo) of the Khafre pyramid utilizing cosmic rays. Since such rays would register higher intensity in hollow spaces, it was hoped that any hidden rooms would be revealed. According to the London Times, nothing worked properly. Instrument readings differed from one day to the next. Computer analysis produced garbled nonsense so that not even direction the instruments were being aimed could be determined. The equipment worked fine except within the pyramid. Frustrated, Dr. Alvarez returned to the US.

Must just be some crazy mumbo jumbo huh?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Two land based cranes capable of lifting 200 tons? Oh, I seriously doubt that one.

 

[BigRedCat]

Taken from an engineering site:

"The 2000t crane, presently is the largest land based pedestal revolving crane in the world, was fully tested and completed in January 2001.

The concrete crane tower is 40m high and the crane main hook can lift 2000 tons at a 30m reach and at a lifting height of 95m. The secondary hook can lift 200 tons at maximum outreach 85m (at lifting height 106m) and maximum lifting height is 135m (at 38m outreach).

With its heavy lifting capacities, long outreach and high lifting height, this 2000t crane will make building oil rigs, FPSO and other offshore vessels much quicker and easier. The crane operator will sit about 13m higher than the deck of the highest semi submersible drilling rigs in operation. "

Now, the Great Pyramid is 500 feet high so it would be pretty damn hard to construct even nowadays.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Taken from an engineering site:

"The 2000t crane, presently is the largest land based pedestal revolving crane in the world, was fully tested and completed in January 2001.

The concrete crane tower is 40m high and the crane main hook can lift 2000 tons at a 30m reach and at a lifting height of 95m. The secondary hook can lift 200 tons at maximum outreach 85m (at lifting height 106m) and maximum lifting height is 135m (at 38m outreach).

With its heavy lifting capacities, long outreach and high lifting height, this 2000t crane will make building oil rigs, FPSO and other offshore vessels much quicker and easier. The crane operator will sit about 13m higher than the deck of the highest semi submersible drilling rigs in operation. "

Now, the Great Pyramid is 500 feet high so it would be pretty damn hard to construct even nowadays.

You were talking of a shortage of 200 ton cranes (two in the world) then you pop up with a 2000 ton crane. I'm sure there are many that can do 200 tons.

 

[BigRedCat]

re-read that. 200 tons at a reach of 30m and a lifting height of 95m. That is still 200 feet short. Most of the heavy lifters are water based, not land based. 2000T is the largest land based in the world that means there are NOT many that can do it. Anyway, the point is- the Egyptians had rediculously advanced engineering skills to build it if they really did build it. Where did they get their skills from?

 

[BigRedCat]

 

[Testosterone boy]

re-read that. 200 tons at a reach of 30m and a lifting height of 95m. That is still 200 feet short. Most of the heavy lifters are water based, not land based. 2000T is the largest land based in the world that means there are NOT many that can do it. Anyway, the point is- the Egyptians had rediculously advanced engineering skills to build it if they really did build it. Where did they get their skills from?

I'll tell you what BRC, it is about time to examine the engineering marvel I have right here in my own trousers.

My take on the pyramids is that they are quite impressive but could indeed be built by tens of thousands of slaves working for hundreds of years. A persuasive argument could be made for either side. It is the engineering marvel in my pants that truly impresses me.

 

[DigitalKyle]

I would like to point out that BigRedCat should no longer be taken seriously for plagerizing part of the introduction to Jim Marrs' book, "Alien Agenda". Here is a scan of the first page...

Who knows what else he plagerizes?

First of all, the genral "government" knows nothing of any of this. Think about it, we cant have every idiot running around with knowledge of this. It would be a small and secretive group of military guys that would be running this program. Secondly, it is their # priority to figure out what the aliens are doing with us and if they are a danger. Why do you think area 51 exists? Because the alien phenomenon is BS? Why do you think there are thousands upon thousands of people who report the same thing? Keep in mind, many of these people do not even have access to things like TV or the internet to come up with "crazy" ideas like these.

Do you think if aliens come to abduct you they would allow you to snap some candid? Sure. Why not make a little video while your at it. Research these experiences a bit and you will find that people are paralyzed when in their presence. They lose hours and sometimes days of time. They have no idea where the time went. Why is this all so far fetched to some of you? It is no different than what we do to animals of all kinds. Tag and monitor. Simple as that. Any real evidence that pops up is very quickly gobbled up by whoever the hell is in charge of these things. That is why people sometimes "disappear" after calling up the military and saying they found such and such that looks like its alien in origin. If there WAS definitive proof then the whole planet would go into shock wouldn't they. It would debunk religion and cause havoc. Has any of this crossed your mind? This is the biggest cover-up in human history. If I was in charge of a project like this there is no way I would let it get out. It would cause so much turmoil that civilization would collapse under the fear of it all. Humans are content to keep believing they are the center of the universe and to wipe that concept away changes how you look at life completely!

If it was just dumb ass farmers saying they had been abducted fine, I would call liar to but it isn't the case. There are reports of people from ALL walks of life who claim this. Ex-military pilots,professors,fireman,all races,genders,all kinds of people from all kinds of places and in all countries. How do you explain that?

There have been implants removed from many abductees and the metal is of unknown origin. There are people who used to work at Area 51 who claim they worked with alien spacecraft and had seen their bodies.

The controversy over the existence of UFOs is over.
UFOs are real.
Only persons whose outlook prevents them from dealing honestly with the massive amount of documentation and reports collected over the past five decades still cling to the idea that nothing soars in the skies of Earth but man's imagination. Evidence accumulated over the past half-century clearly indicates that UFOs represent real and tangible objects exhibiting traits unlike anything that man can yet produce.

Of course, arguments and protestations will continue. But, whether you believe in them or not, UFOs are now part of our reality. Get a half-dozen people in a room and odds are at least one of them has had a personal UFO experience or knows someone who has.

While admittedly the UFO mystery is seriously deepened by the lack of hard physical evidence, anyone who can state unequivocally that UFOs do not exist either has neglected to study the massive amount of literature now available or is in a state of denial that no amount of evidence will penetrate.

Ok bear with me, hopefully you non-science people can follow this- for you non-believers I present the subject of the pyramids for example:

A look at the orientation of the Great Pyramid confirms its well-planned and sophisticated design. Each of its four sides precisely face the four points of the compass with only a one-twelfth degree of variation, which has been explained by the gradual movement of the Earth's axis rather than any mistake on the part of its designer. Also, there are slight differences due to damage by both man and nature, the height of the Great Pyramid is proportional to the radius of the Earth and the perimeter to the circumference. Measurements of the two base halves yield the numbers 365.256 and 365.259, the EXACT number of days it takes for the Earth to complete its orbit of the sun and the time it takes to return to its starting point in the elliptical orbit. More astounding is the fact that during the International Geophysical Year(1957-58)satelittle technology established that the Earth's mean polar radius was 150,265,030.4 British inches. One ten-millionth of this distance would be 25,0265 British inches- the exact figure found in three separate measurements inside the Great Pyramid. The number 25,000 also happens to be the distance from the Earth to the sun and the number of years in the precessional cycle, the time it takes for the Earth to pass through the twelve zodiacal constellations.

These amazing facts go far beyond any chance of coincidence or lucky guesswork. They tend to confirm the idea that whoever built the pyramids was in possession of astronomical and geophysical knowledge unsurpassed even today.

Using the North and South Poles, the equator, and the Earth's center as reference points, the pyramid accurately sections the entire planet into a three-dimensional grid of thirty,sixty and ninety degrees. Utilizing these grids, any aircraft can successfully navigate from the pyramid to any location on Earth with only minor deviation.

Many studies have shown that razor blades stay sharp longer and fruit ripens slower when places within a properly oriented pyramid- indicating some kind of power field.

I could go on and on. If you can explain these phenomena's, go right ahead.

 

[Whiskey]

I believe. Hell, I find it easier to believe in aliens than in god sometimes. I too go with the pyramid beliefs. Not only are they lined up just so, have any of you watched discovery channel on pyramids. some of the blocks weight up to 30 tons. Hello!! If the nerds of today can't move a block that big with the tools available then, something else had to help.


Whiskey

 

[Frackal]

Bahh....Carl Sagan, ... heard it a million times... cant you dig up anyone besides him and Phillip Klass? I'll do some digging on him to decide how reliable he is but as of know admittedly I cannot discount his thoughts, though he seems to be one of the ONLY big names brought up over and over...

Besides....Kalish...if youve done your research, you and I both know that the majority of UFO researchers are as I mentioned extremely bright indiviuduals with degrees in such things as astronomy and nuclear physics.

Stumpy, what are you laughing at girl?

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

Originally posted by Frackal
Stumpy, what are you laughing at girl?

I'm not a female.

I see that you're incapable of reading, so I'll have to re-post what I had expressed in my previous post:

Originally posted by BigRedCat
Get a half-dozen people in a room and odds are at least one of them has had a personal UFO experience or knows someone who has.

That means I laughed at the absurdity of that claim.

Capice?

 

[minion]

That means I laughed at the absurdity of that claim.

I have had an experince with a UFO. And no this isn't a joke. I'm amazed no one has tried to refute me.

 

[Testosterone boy]

With all these aliens running around for hundreds of years, we should have obtained some real proof. Dead bodies, wrecked spacecraft....something.

Don't tell me about government cover ups, I doubt the aliens would only feel comfortable chillin' in the old U.S. of A.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Getting a little sensitive there Frackal?? Don't like people pressing you to defend your statements huh. You need to chill out........either support your claims or admit that you cant. Anyway, to address your post.........

A few possible 'smoking guns' is hardly overwhelming evidence. This is simply unexplained observations with more than one, or no explanation. What I would consider evidence would be something written in a purely non-profit way that considers all of the possibilities equally......and then comes to the conclusion you seem to want. My research has not produced anything of the kind.......maybe you could point me in the right direction......obviously I am looking int he wrong places.

BTW pictures and videos are easy to fake........and very much open to interpretation. Hardly overwhelming evidence.

Regarding your comments about the arguments put forward by us skeptics.........we do not have to disprove the existence of UFO / aliens etc. It is impossible to prove a negative as I previously pointed out.......and we do not deny the existence of such things, we just doubt whether strong evidence is available to back up what you are saying. Surely if you want to say there is overwhelming evidence in support of something then you can expect to be asked to present it........it can't be that tough.......can it?

Along those lines, if you consider that one statement by 'intelligence officers' substantial you must have low standards. Ever wonder what a crashed weather balloon looks like?
Did the base make the announcement ior did they bring people in to examine the wreckage?

Secondly to Imnotdutch:

By overwhelming evidence I am referring to collections of UFO reports, pictures, videos etc by CREDIBLE witnesses.....this primarily includes military personal, credible civilians...hell, even president Jimmy Carter has stated he has seen a UFO...as I understand it he actually tried to get information about them from
DCI George Bush but was denied... (if they were just top secret planes...why deny the president?)

I am going to eat at the moment, but I can give you some names of books that are collections of reports and other such evidence...

As far as overwhelming evidence.... there are a few possible "smoking guns" ... but no actual ALIEN BODY or whatever you skeptics demand.... one example of a possible smooking gun in the Roswell case is pretty interesting... I can go into it in more detail later, but the General (Twining??) that was photographed with Jesse Marcel with the 'balloon wreckage" was holding a memo in his hand in some of the photos...

In one of the photos, it is not possible by computer enhancement to read this memo... the memo speaks of a crashed 'disc'.

Besides...Roswell Army Air Base was home to the 509th Bomb group... the ONLY one of its kind at the time in the world..the ones who flew the atomic bombs to Japan.... they first announced that what had crashed was a flying saucer...then said it was "just a weather balloon".... surprising blunder for the most elite bomber wing in the world.... Even I could tell the difference between a weather balloon and a spaceship....

In truth, not a single one of you skeptics has presented anything even remotely substantial as an argument....shitty arguments like "i dont believe in little green men" does not cut it....

Even what I have typed above is quite substantial. Particularly the point about US intelligence officers mistaking balloons for a flying disc.


Oh...Imnotdutch...curious as to exactly uh what research you have done on this issue .. since you obviously feel quite qualified to make your claims. Please specify.

 

[Frackal]

I wasn't getting 'touchy'?? Anyway, I guess it also depends on your definition of overwhelming evidence....if you want to speak of 'non-profit'...consider the 700 or so Project Sign/Bluebook reports that the air force deemed 'reliable but unexplainable'... now that doesnt come to the conclusion that they are alien ufos however...

If you are genuinely interested check out "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good...it is a book that basically chronicles the recent history of UFO sightings ... "Half of his book is a review of UFO sightings in various countries and the reactions of their governments. For the sake of credibility, he deals only with sightings and not with closer encounters such as alleged abductions. The other half deals specifically with the U.S. government: CIA, NSA, NASA, and DIA. A 106-page appendix prints a variety of documents and reports, both classified and declassified, from various governments. "

It is pretty much void of opinions and is more a compliation that is like putting pieces of a puzzle together as to see the whole picture. I've read it twice, it is very long .... probably about 700 pages.

In the case of UFOs, overwhelming evidence by my definition would be the sheer amount of reports, photographs, movies from all over the world....this book is just one small part of it, but perhaps the most reliable as it is virtually all military.

 

[Warik]

If it is true look at it this way. We just fired what we think is an advanced weapon and it basically didn't give two shits aobut it. If it is aliens I am sure they are laughing their asses off at our stupidity.

That reminds me of that Star Trek episode where these aliens were attacking the Enterprise and Data says "Captain... they are attacking us.... with lasers."

Picard: ".... lasers??????????????"

lol

-Warik

 

[Imnotdutch]

Sounds like an interesting read. I wonder how many of the cases will be explained in the future. I think that you are right in that we differ in what we consider overwhelming evidence.

I wasn't getting 'touchy'?? Anyway, I guess it also depends on your definition of overwhelming evidence....if you want to speak of 'non-profit'...consider the 700 or so Project Sign/Bluebook reports that the air force deemed 'reliable but unexplainable'... now that doesnt come to the conclusion that they are alien ufos however...

If you are genuinely interested check out "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good...it is a book that basically chronicles the recent history of UFO sightings ... "Half of his book is a review of UFO sightings in various countries and the reactions of their governments. For the sake of credibility, he deals only with sightings and not with closer encounters such as alleged abductions. The other half deals specifically with the U.S. government: CIA, NSA, NASA, and DIA. A 106-page appendix prints a variety of documents and reports, both classified and declassified, from various governments. "

It is pretty much void of opinions and is more a compliation that is like putting pieces of a puzzle together as to see the whole picture. I've read it twice, it is very long .... probably about 700 pages.

In the case of UFOs, overwhelming evidence by my definition would be the sheer amount of reports, photographs, movies from all over the world....this book is just one small part of it, but perhaps the most reliable as it is virtually all military.

 

[FreakMonster]

If aliens are so real then why is it that they always show up in remote locations where only a handful of people see it? Has a UFO ever been spotted in a large metropolitan area in broad daylight?