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I have found some really good articles that I have saved on my computer and thought that from time to time I would share them to offer help and also for a source of discusion.
A) MAIL ORDER FOR BEGINNERS - Written by Kicker
Disclaimer:
This article is intended for guys who, as I was just a few months ago, are just beginning to explore the possibility of getting juice by mail. All of this info is based on the personal experiences of a "friend" of mine who is sick of newbies getting screwed the first few times they attempt to get their hands on some juice. I’d appreciate it if some of you more experienced guys would contribute any helpful advice regarding mail order you can give based on your own experiences in the next few issues.
OK, now that that’s out of the way, what’s the best way to go about getting some juice if you are a first timer? Well, I’ll break this up into 3 sections: finding a source, placing the order, and getting the goods.
Finding the Ever Elusive Source:
OK, so you’ve done all of your research and have decided on a good first cycle....now you just have to find out where to get it. So how does one find a legit source? Unless you have a friend who lives near the Mexican border(in which case go straight to the next section), probably the best strategy is to first build up a database of price lists from as many different sources as you can find.
It is probably a good idea to do any correspondence about ordering roids from a free anonymous e-mail account like Netaddress (www.netaddress.usa.net). If you are very concerned about security and want to take more precautions, go to www.elitefitness.com/indexabdominal.html and read SecretAgentAnimal’s guide to PGP. This may seem a little complicated at first, but it will be time well spent as it will prevent others from eavesdropping on your e-mail conversations.
So where do you get price lists anyway? You might first pour over the older posts from the Anabolix and Elite boards just in case a source name had popped up there. One needs to be careful about doing this though because many of the "sources" who post so openly are either scammers or have already been shut down by the DEA, who also reads the boards. If you have been talking to other guys on the net, some of them might also be able to throw you some names. There are also many newsletters you can order that have possible sources listed in them (try www.musclebuilder.com/muscle). After you have contacted these potential sources and have collected as many lists as possible, u are ready for the next step.
Now it is time for you to start paring down that list....getting rid of the scammers and such. There are plenty of guys who are regulars around here that will be happy to answer questions about whether a source is legit or not....just don’t get too ambitious and start asking people you barely know to give out their hard earned sources as they’ll just get really pissed! By asking around you will be able to find out if there are a lot of complaints about a source or not and you can get rid of the ones who don’t deliver consistently. Also, check the blacklist at the end of this newsletter....it is invaluable in getting rid of a bunch right off the bat. Another thing to look for is a guy who answers your e-mails within a day or two at most. Believe me when I say there is nothing worse than waiting for somebody to reply to you after you have sent him your hard earned $$. Granted that just because they will reply quickly before you send the money doesn’t mean that they will reply quickly after you have paid, but there is a better chance of it. Now just because you’ve narrowed the list down a lot don’t get your hopes up too high yet....you’ve still got more work to do. You only know that the source(s) you have left may be legit. I know this sounds like a shitty attitude to have but it pays to be skeptical in this business. Anything that sounds too good to be true usually is! The best way to verify a source is w/a small trial order....refer to the next section.
Placing an Order:
These guidelines apply to any order in general, but like I said it is always best to try a small one first. Take it from a guy who’s "friend" has admitted having been just a bit naive about this and lost over $600 before finally getting anything!
First off, let’s deal with the actual placement of the order. Most sources will give you an address through e-mail to send payment to. Some may request that you enclose the order with the $$ and tell them what you want by means of letter "codes" that they will give you. Others may ask that you just send the money and then tell them what it is for by e-mail. Telling them what you want isn’t the problem though....the problem is having a way to prove that they got the money(so they can’t just take it and say ,"uhhh, customs must have swiped it."
There are a few ways to do this. I know that some say that wire transfers are a bad idea altogether, but there is a safe way to go about it. You can use western union to either transfer the money to the sources bank account or to just have him pick it up. If the amt. is small enough, no ID is required and you can use a fake name to cover your tracks.
You can also send cash via certified mail under a fake name if this option is acceptable to the source. When sending cash it is always a good idea to wrap it in several pieces of paper and to use bills in lower denominations than $100(because some $100 bills have been rumored to contain trace amts. Of cocaine and thus can alert drug sniffing dogs in customs.)
There is also the option of sending a blank money order for payment. These have tracking numbers on them so you can find out if it has been cashed.
In any case, do not put your real return address on the outside of the envelope.
These options all allow you to make sure that your money was received and leaves nothing in question while also allowing you a good deal of anonymity.
If you decide to ship the package to your own house make sure you send it under a fake name. Some have said that it is a good idea just to use a variation of your last name so the mailman won’t become suspicious, but I have found that my mailman couldn’t give shit one way or the other.
Receiving the Package:
Remember that you requested this package to be shipped without requiring a signature. If the mailman shows up at your door with the package and asks for a signature anyway, DO NOT SIGN FOR IT!!!!! Just tell him that you weren’t expecting anything from overseas and it isn’t even addressed to you. Signing for it pretty much amounts to admitting you ordered it and you could get fucked!
Even if the package shows up as planned at your door, don’t get too excited about it yet and tear into it. Write "Unknown, return to sender" on the outside and let it sit for a few days. That way, if the FEDS show up for some reason, you can deny everything and say you were intending on sending it back because you have no clue who it is for.
Well, that’s about all I’ve got. Remember, I don’t claim to be an expert. I’m still pretty new to all of this myself, but this is what I’ve learned over the last few months and maybe it’ll keep some of you other new guys from making the same mistakes.
Oh, and as for what happened to my "friend," well, he finally found a few good guys and is proceeding to put on a lot of weight as we speak...sort of makes the whole ordeal worthwhile eh? Get huge!
A) MAIL ORDER FOR BEGINNERS - Written by Kicker
Disclaimer:
This article is intended for guys who, as I was just a few months ago, are just beginning to explore the possibility of getting juice by mail. All of this info is based on the personal experiences of a "friend" of mine who is sick of newbies getting screwed the first few times they attempt to get their hands on some juice. I’d appreciate it if some of you more experienced guys would contribute any helpful advice regarding mail order you can give based on your own experiences in the next few issues.
OK, now that that’s out of the way, what’s the best way to go about getting some juice if you are a first timer? Well, I’ll break this up into 3 sections: finding a source, placing the order, and getting the goods.
Finding the Ever Elusive Source:
OK, so you’ve done all of your research and have decided on a good first cycle....now you just have to find out where to get it. So how does one find a legit source? Unless you have a friend who lives near the Mexican border(in which case go straight to the next section), probably the best strategy is to first build up a database of price lists from as many different sources as you can find.
It is probably a good idea to do any correspondence about ordering roids from a free anonymous e-mail account like Netaddress (www.netaddress.usa.net). If you are very concerned about security and want to take more precautions, go to www.elitefitness.com/indexabdominal.html and read SecretAgentAnimal’s guide to PGP. This may seem a little complicated at first, but it will be time well spent as it will prevent others from eavesdropping on your e-mail conversations.
So where do you get price lists anyway? You might first pour over the older posts from the Anabolix and Elite boards just in case a source name had popped up there. One needs to be careful about doing this though because many of the "sources" who post so openly are either scammers or have already been shut down by the DEA, who also reads the boards. If you have been talking to other guys on the net, some of them might also be able to throw you some names. There are also many newsletters you can order that have possible sources listed in them (try www.musclebuilder.com/muscle). After you have contacted these potential sources and have collected as many lists as possible, u are ready for the next step.
Now it is time for you to start paring down that list....getting rid of the scammers and such. There are plenty of guys who are regulars around here that will be happy to answer questions about whether a source is legit or not....just don’t get too ambitious and start asking people you barely know to give out their hard earned sources as they’ll just get really pissed! By asking around you will be able to find out if there are a lot of complaints about a source or not and you can get rid of the ones who don’t deliver consistently. Also, check the blacklist at the end of this newsletter....it is invaluable in getting rid of a bunch right off the bat. Another thing to look for is a guy who answers your e-mails within a day or two at most. Believe me when I say there is nothing worse than waiting for somebody to reply to you after you have sent him your hard earned $$. Granted that just because they will reply quickly before you send the money doesn’t mean that they will reply quickly after you have paid, but there is a better chance of it. Now just because you’ve narrowed the list down a lot don’t get your hopes up too high yet....you’ve still got more work to do. You only know that the source(s) you have left may be legit. I know this sounds like a shitty attitude to have but it pays to be skeptical in this business. Anything that sounds too good to be true usually is! The best way to verify a source is w/a small trial order....refer to the next section.
Placing an Order:
These guidelines apply to any order in general, but like I said it is always best to try a small one first. Take it from a guy who’s "friend" has admitted having been just a bit naive about this and lost over $600 before finally getting anything!
First off, let’s deal with the actual placement of the order. Most sources will give you an address through e-mail to send payment to. Some may request that you enclose the order with the $$ and tell them what you want by means of letter "codes" that they will give you. Others may ask that you just send the money and then tell them what it is for by e-mail. Telling them what you want isn’t the problem though....the problem is having a way to prove that they got the money(so they can’t just take it and say ,"uhhh, customs must have swiped it."
There are a few ways to do this. I know that some say that wire transfers are a bad idea altogether, but there is a safe way to go about it. You can use western union to either transfer the money to the sources bank account or to just have him pick it up. If the amt. is small enough, no ID is required and you can use a fake name to cover your tracks.
You can also send cash via certified mail under a fake name if this option is acceptable to the source. When sending cash it is always a good idea to wrap it in several pieces of paper and to use bills in lower denominations than $100(because some $100 bills have been rumored to contain trace amts. Of cocaine and thus can alert drug sniffing dogs in customs.)
There is also the option of sending a blank money order for payment. These have tracking numbers on them so you can find out if it has been cashed.
In any case, do not put your real return address on the outside of the envelope.
These options all allow you to make sure that your money was received and leaves nothing in question while also allowing you a good deal of anonymity.
If you decide to ship the package to your own house make sure you send it under a fake name. Some have said that it is a good idea just to use a variation of your last name so the mailman won’t become suspicious, but I have found that my mailman couldn’t give shit one way or the other.
Receiving the Package:
Remember that you requested this package to be shipped without requiring a signature. If the mailman shows up at your door with the package and asks for a signature anyway, DO NOT SIGN FOR IT!!!!! Just tell him that you weren’t expecting anything from overseas and it isn’t even addressed to you. Signing for it pretty much amounts to admitting you ordered it and you could get fucked!
Even if the package shows up as planned at your door, don’t get too excited about it yet and tear into it. Write "Unknown, return to sender" on the outside and let it sit for a few days. That way, if the FEDS show up for some reason, you can deny everything and say you were intending on sending it back because you have no clue who it is for.
Well, that’s about all I’ve got. Remember, I don’t claim to be an expert. I’m still pretty new to all of this myself, but this is what I’ve learned over the last few months and maybe it’ll keep some of you other new guys from making the same mistakes.
Oh, and as for what happened to my "friend," well, he finally found a few good guys and is proceeding to put on a lot of weight as we speak...sort of makes the whole ordeal worthwhile eh? Get huge!
