Arimidex Strength..Help..

[meatneck]

Okay,

I always read how everyone says "arimidex" is so "strong." What do you all mean by being so strong? What side effects allude to the strength? I've been dosing about .05 of liq. ibe arimidex ed, and the only side effect I think I have been getting is a racing heart beat. Is this what everyone is alluding to?

 

[Indy]

Okay,

I always read how everyone says "arimidex" is so "strong." What do you all mean by being so strong? What side effects allude to the strength? I've been dosing about .05 of liq. ibe arimidex ed, and the only side effect I think I have been getting is a racing heart beat. Is this what everyone is alluding to?

It can actually lower your estrogen levels too much

 

[Ulter]

It's not too strong. It's the weakest Aromatese Inhibitor of the bunch. Who ever told you it's too strong is goofy. It's effective, but not too strong.

 

[baby DBOL]

Stongest to weekest
1) Aromasin
2) Femara
3) Arimidex
4) Nolva

Aromasin is too strong. Femara is just right, with no lipid profile problems with your blood.

 

[help4john]

I've been dosing about .05 of liq. ibe arimidex ed, and the only side effect I think I have been getting is a racing heart beat.

Don't think the Adex is causing the racing heartbeat. Are you on EQ by any chance?

 

[meatneck]

lol..i just started. I'm on week 2.
My cycle:

Super sust 350 weeks 1-10
Eq 400 weeks 1-10

I just injected my 2nd cycle of eq today. I have ran my previous cycle eq/winny for 13 weeks and the only prob i had was sleeping issues. My heart rate and bp was teh best ever while on (116/76). I'll go to bed tonight and not take the arimidex/nolva and save that for when I wake up.

I had issues the last time on eq with the "puffy" arreola syndrome. Looked fine when stimulated, looked gyno/like when soft - no hard lumps..just built up estro. It went away about a month after my 3 week pct of nolva but sure came back fast on this cycle. I read that arimidex will keep the bloat and counter act the puffy nips from the eq and the test - is this true? I'm also running 20mg of nolva per day throughout this cycle.

 

[help4john]

EQ causes my heartbeat to occasionally race. I think it maybe related to anxiety and not actually a "heart" problem....but never happens to me until about week 5-6.

Arimidex is a solid choice for combatting bloat and gyno. The problem is that depending on your Adex dose used in conjunction with Nolva.....I would be a bit concerned that this is causing total estrogen surpression. Your body needs some estrogen.

What dosage of Adex?

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Adex at 1mg....I sometimes use .25mg EOD to "stay dry" on test cycles. Post cycle I use 1mg ED for 2 weeks...

 

[Paulo]

"total" estrogen suppression is impossible. At least with an aromatase inhibitor. Your pituitary still cranks the stuff out, and since its not aromatised from test, its not affected by the adex.

anyways I find a good balance around .5-.75mg per day. but that's me. I don't like bloating or fat gain, so I am willing to sacrifice 10-15% of my gains.


Test causes my heart to beat harder and a little faster, even at normal blood pressure.

I would drop the nolva dosing, however, unless you are super worried about gyno issues. Or, you could take 5-10mg per day, which wouldn't be too suppressive, yet still allow for some of its helpful benifits.

 

[Ulter]

I don't like bloating or fat gain, so I am willing to sacrifice 10-15% of my gains.

Can you explain or elaborate on that please?

 

[meatneck]

i am taking .5 adex ed, but i can cut it back to eod. I just didn't want to bloat up like a pig. I can also switch my nolva 20mg up to eod also. I'm thinking it's probably the test that is making my heart race or get fast at times.

 

[crfpilot14]

"total" estrogen suppression is impossible. At least with an aromatase inhibitor. Your pituitary still cranks the stuff out, and since its not aromatised from test, its not affected by the adex.

how exactly do you think men produce estrogen related substances? if you think that the pituitary "cranks out" estrogen then you need to read more and stop spreading this misinformation. the anterior pituitary produces:
LH/FSH, TSH, ACTH, GH, PRL; the posterior pituitary produces ADH and Oxytocin. no estrogen there...we (men) do not have ovaries that produce estrogens upon stimulation by FSH/LH. almost all of the estrogen produced in the male body is from aromatization. men need some estrogen for normal function. anything above 30ng/dl is considered too high and anything outside a 12- or 20-to-one proportion in androgen/estrogen ratio, and estrogen's negative effects can surface, including increased coronary risk. so when you are taking your high doses of AIs during your cycle you are setting yourself up for CAD very early in life. you can take higher levels of AIs during PCT because you want to decrease the estrogen levels as low as possible to decrease its inhibitory effects on the hypothalamus/pituitary which will increase gonadotropin stimulation and thus natural test production. lowered estrogens in PCT will also prevent the reduction of IGF-1 and the elevation of SHBG in the liver. (which isnt controlled by nolva or clomid).

 

[crfpilot14]

one thing about nolva/clomid is that they retain estrogenic activity in the liver which results in a reduction in IGF-1 and an increase in SHBG. both things you dont want. with AIs you get true estrogen suppression in all tissues as estrogen is not produced. i wouldnt run a high amount of an AI throughout the cycle. just enough to control estrogen-related problems such as gyno, bloat, Na retention, etc. during PCT, estrogen suppression should be as low as possible which will increase natural test production. HCG would be a great addition to an AI during PCT if testicular atrophy occurs. i would use HCG for all cycles, but some dont like to use stuff that they really dont understand. AIs such as aromasin, adex, femara, and the new one 6-oxo will most likely be the staple of PCT for most BBers if it isnt already.

 

[Paulo]

how exactly do you think men produce estrogen related substances? if you think that the pituitary "cranks out" estrogen then you need to read more and stop spreading this misinformation.

You are correct, I am wrong. I totally confused two different functions. Anyhow, I'm glad that you caught it. Since I wish to do anything but spread misinformation.


However, I am inclined to disagree with the estrogen - IGF connection you made. I've always known higher estrogen levels to = higher IGF levels. However, I may be applying this idea too widely, being that the origin of this could be limited to females, and/or particular areas of the body.


Also, does anyone really know at what level an AI becomes "dangerous" ? I have had fasting lipid profiles done before while on 1mg adex ed and my ratios were still well within an acceptable range. But, its quite possible that this is one of those "unlimited human variables" that we talk so much about.

Here's what I think... If a man were to take adex while off cycle, then that would lead to some pretty serious consequences after a while. However, due to the extremely high amounts of testosterone levels (and subsequently higher aromatase activity), its not very clear in my mind how much of an AI it would take to deplete circulating estrogen. OR, to upset the ratios enough to cause problems.



This is an example of one of the largest roadblocks in understanding "bodybuilding science" . There really aren't enough studies done that mirrorwhat we do here.

So, we are left trying to extrapolate countless other studies into something that will hopefully, maybe...apply to our field. Which doesn't always work.

your turn...

 

[crfpilot14]

estrogen will cause a decrease in IGF-1 production and an increase in SHBG production in the liver (where the SERMS have litttle effect). you want to keep your androgen/estrogen ratio around 12-20:1. and keep your free hormone levels less than 30ng/dl. these numbers may differ slightly in different people though but not by much. so you would titrate your AI to get yourself to the above levels. that is the difficult part b/c not everyone has access to labwork. so someone here that has access to labwork should do a study and see how differing levels of AIs during the cycle and post cycle affect the total and free hormone levels...