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arimadex for long cycle?
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MASSIVEMONSTER
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If AIFM is more powerful isnt it bad though to have really low E levels for 4 months? Isnt ADex safer in that respect?
I ask as I will be doing prop only during the summer
I ask as I will be doing prop only during the summer
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Mr.X
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hanibal said:
Yeah, that's fine, it should be a good arimidex run. Go with arimidex it's cheaper then AIFM (topical ATD) , or if you want something stronger go with Letrozole or Aromasin.
macrophage69alpha
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Mr.X said:
this is just incorrect. You know that its incorrect. Its been clearly laid out for you.
While you are justified in prefering arimidex personally making these innacurate statements is just innappropriate.
Perhaps before any reccomendations are made, it might be wise to ask what he intends to cycle. There are a surprising # of people that have been taking AI's with no aromatic steroids.
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Mr.X
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Ulter said:
Actually, it's accurate.
Arimidex (liquidex)
$60 for 30ml @ 1mg/ml
.5mgs/day = 60 days use = $1/day
AIFM (topical ATD)
$39 for 5 weeks (35 days) = $1.114/day
Arimidex is potent and works well at .5mgs/ED, it's just being understated for marketing purposes here. Of course, AS amounts can determine if that # goes up or down. I've used it for years and have clients that have done .25mgs ED without a problem on 400mg test cycles.
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Mr.X
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macrophage69alpha said:
I disagree, see above.
macrophage69alpha said:
agreed. I already have contact with him.
macrophage69alpha
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see once again, you ignore the fact thats have been made very clear to you.
AIFM is 55ml
2 pumps per day (.4ml) (more than equivalent of 1mg of dex per day) will last 137 days
0.28$ per day
lets say for arguement sake (incorrect but still giving you a wide margin for error) that it takes 4 pumps per day to be equivalent
0.56$ per day
now all this has been laid out before, the fact that you chose to pretend that it was not is just foolish.
Please stop playing games with peoples health and finances.
AIFM is 55ml
2 pumps per day (.4ml) (more than equivalent of 1mg of dex per day) will last 137 days
0.28$ per day
lets say for arguement sake (incorrect but still giving you a wide margin for error) that it takes 4 pumps per day to be equivalent
0.56$ per day
now all this has been laid out before, the fact that you chose to pretend that it was not is just foolish.
Please stop playing games with peoples health and finances.
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Mr.X
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macrophage69alpha said:
There are posts on this forum talking about how inaccurate the pump that comes with "AIFM" (topical ATD) is, they don't know for sure how much came out. So, if you want to start there, that's a good start. With a pump, the dosages are inaccurate at best.
"Negatives:
The pump sucks. The liquid comes out in various amounts, never the same amount/squirt and then it often dribbles off my wrists to other parts of my arm and then I feel like I'm wasting it trying to move it back to my inside forearms. The stuff is so fine that as soon as it comes out it slides all over the place. "
On top of this, a few members I've talked to have reported using 6 sprays and had to run nolvadex with it because they still go sensitive nipples.
The dosage is inaccurate at best with the pump, so I wouldn't put my money on proper dosing with the product.
If you want to go all the way with it, Liquidex from AG-Guys is $60, but since you guys recommend nolvadex on hand with your product, if one is to buy nolvadex with an arimidex run and his PCT (which they will need), they would be paying 20-50% less depending on what special they choose from AG:
http://www.ag-guys.com/store/content/specials.php
So, in that case, their arimidex would only cost them about $0.40/day.
I think most people can figure out how to keep the nozzle clean, you rinse it once in a while, so that's easy.
It's amazing how "you've talked to people" that have to use nolva because the AIFM isn't strong enough. These must be the same mystery people you bring up about other topics. They just don't post here, or ask ANYONE else on the board. They only talk to you. Meanwhile NO ONE who is actually posting results is reporting anything like this.
Unless you're willing to say who these mystery people are I think it best that you keep your private conversations private. Otherwise I'm going to post about the mystery people who have to use nolva with all the AG guys products AI's because they are underdosed. And are not even recommended for human consumption.
Having nolva on hand with ANY AI is a good idea. So is having bandaids in your medicine chest. But don't include that in the cost of AIFM.
It's amazing how "you've talked to people" that have to use nolva because the AIFM isn't strong enough. These must be the same mystery people you bring up about other topics. They just don't post here, or ask ANYONE else on the board. They only talk to you. Meanwhile NO ONE who is actually posting results is reporting anything like this.
Unless you're willing to say who these mystery people are I think it best that you keep your private conversations private. Otherwise I'm going to post about the mystery people who have to use nolva with all the AG guys products AI's because they are underdosed. And are not even recommended for human consumption.
Having nolva on hand with ANY AI is a good idea. So is having bandaids in your medicine chest. But don't include that in the cost of AIFM.
macrophage69alpha
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Mr.X said:
Wow. what fantasy world are you living in?
see its pretty unrealistic that anyone would come to you without coming to ulter first or at all for that matter.
but lets leave that for the moment. The number of people that have gotten not just sensitive nipples but actual GYNO while taking arimidex (pharmaceutical grade) at 1mg per day is quite significant.
you reccomend arimidex soley because its the best priced item that AG guys has. the fact that you dont reccomend aromasin (which they have a crappy price on) is sadly transparent.
wwebound4life
Active member
Not to be a dick, but it sounds like ulter and macro are just pimping AIFM cause there involved with the product.
TRAIN, EAT, LIVE LIKE A ANIMAL!!
TRAIN, EAT, LIVE LIKE A ANIMAL!!
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Mr.X
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macrophage69alpha said:
Actually, if I was recommending certain "AG" products, it would make sense to only recommend letrozole since it's the cheapest. So, the logic of recommendations based on price is false. Letrozole would last 60+days for $55, as an example.
I recommend arimidex because it's effective, well priced (most places), and works great on cycles. It's being understated via your marketing strategy, as a way to promote your own product (topical ATD aka AIFM). If someone wants a stronger anti-E (AI) they can go with letrozole or aromasin.
Not JUST involved, he developed it, I sell it. We're more than just "involved".
We did what we always do. We find a need that WE have, like an AI for PCT and cycling, and then go out and get a better way or material. When everyone else was selling ALA we found out that R-ALA was much more powerful by reading the medical literature about lipoic acids, so we developed Glucorell. Everyone else copied it.
We need to use an AI. They are too expensive and illegal. But low and behold we find in the medical literature that there is an AI that was discovered and then disgarded by the pharms because when they found it they didn't know what to do with it. So we developed AIFM with it. It's turning out to be just as good as Aromasin.
So if you think that we shouldn't take our ideas and develop them and then tell people about what we have, I'll have to disagree with you. That's what we do and will continue to do.
We did what we always do. We find a need that WE have, like an AI for PCT and cycling, and then go out and get a better way or material. When everyone else was selling ALA we found out that R-ALA was much more powerful by reading the medical literature about lipoic acids, so we developed Glucorell. Everyone else copied it.
We need to use an AI. They are too expensive and illegal. But low and behold we find in the medical literature that there is an AI that was discovered and then disgarded by the pharms because when they found it they didn't know what to do with it. So we developed AIFM with it. It's turning out to be just as good as Aromasin.
So if you think that we shouldn't take our ideas and develop them and then tell people about what we have, I'll have to disagree with you. That's what we do and will continue to do.
njmuscleguy
New member
wow, here we go again... and again... and again......
for the record, I have used products from both stores.... some worked, some didn't (from both stores)....
I have AIFM and Liquiaromasin on-hand and will try them separately... and then report only my experiences....
I think the message everyone (especially the newbies) should take home is that there are several options.... try them all and then stick with what works for you! The moderators should agree to just let us know what options are available.....
for the record, I have used products from both stores.... some worked, some didn't (from both stores)....
I have AIFM and Liquiaromasin on-hand and will try them separately... and then report only my experiences....
I think the message everyone (especially the newbies) should take home is that there are several options.... try them all and then stick with what works for you! The moderators should agree to just let us know what options are available.....
I've been here 6 years. I've never been here, nor do ever expect to be here when all mods agree on all things. Just the way it is. The best threads on this board are E2 and 2Thick arguing test vs deca. So I wouldn't get too worked up over it. 
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Mr.X
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Ulter said:
There is something we can agree on for sure.
wwebound4life
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guys, guys, guys, chill out. I have used products from both the AF store as well as AG guys and they are ALL great products! Not trying to stur up shit or step on anyones toes.
TRAIN, EAT, LIVE LIKE A ANIMAL!!
TRAIN, EAT, LIVE LIKE A ANIMAL!!
macrophage69alpha
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just to clarify. position has never changed. reccomend both aromasin and letrozole (though for general use reccomend aromasin). Have held and reccomended against arimidex use generally as being too weak, long before AIFM was even considered.
It does not matter whether someone chooses to use AG aromasin, BD aromasin or AIFM. IMO those are all comparable options.
there are people that can use arimidex and it works well for them, they also tend to be the people that would be generally fine without any AI at all.
Letrozole is good if you have severe oestrogen issues, otherwise many find it to be too suppressive (though adjusting the dosage can help). Often reccomend it.
IMO if you are going to use a competitive inhibitor(letrozole or anastrozole), it should be followed with a suicidal (aromasin or AIFM) to stop potential oestrogen rebound.
It does not matter whether someone chooses to use AG aromasin, BD aromasin or AIFM. IMO those are all comparable options.
there are people that can use arimidex and it works well for them, they also tend to be the people that would be generally fine without any AI at all.
Letrozole is good if you have severe oestrogen issues, otherwise many find it to be too suppressive (though adjusting the dosage can help). Often reccomend it.
IMO if you are going to use a competitive inhibitor(letrozole or anastrozole), it should be followed with a suicidal (aromasin or AIFM) to stop potential oestrogen rebound.
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Mr.X
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hanibal said:
Your lipid profiles will be effected, but since you're on AS that's not an issue - they are going to take a hit either way.
Go with arimidex, if you need something "stronger" during the cycle you can always switch to Letrozole or aromasin.
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Mr.X
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hanibal said:
it's topical ATD
it's essentially a topical form of this (this is oral ATD)
http://www.anabolicx.com/store/rebound.html
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Mr.X
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boston789 said:
He's going to have a lipid profile hit from his AS use either way, steroids still do a number on your lipids no matter how you cut it.
macrophage69alpha
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hanibal said:
its this:
https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=152
just to clarify oral ATD has a less than 1% bioavailability (generally- though individuals may experience higher or even nil- due to variations in gastro-intestinal environment and liver function)- some people are not able to understand these difference between oral and topical delviery with such compounds and hence erroneously compare them.
comparing oral ATD to AIFM is like making a comparison between drinking and injecting testosterone suspension- and claiming that they are the same.
Nighthawkk
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Out of curiousity, which of these AI's that you guys are discussing has the worst effect on sexual functioning and lipid profiles?
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Mr.X
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Nighthawkk said:
Letrozole hits your libido for sure. However, All of these do a number on your lipid profiles
macrophage69alpha
New member
Mr.X said:
depending on the dose and the individual they can all cause libido problems if they suppress oestrogen too much.
though problems are most common with letro, not just because it is the most suppressive but because of it affinity and tissue permeation.
as a note- one thing that will cause libido problems is using any AI with non aromatic steroids alone.
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Mr.X
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macrophage69alpha said:
I have met individuals without libido issues while using letrozole, but the majority does experience some libido issues. There are ups and downs to every product out there.
macrophage69alpha said:
That's a given. Most people don't do enough research before a cycle, that's usually the cause of the problem.
macrophage69alpha
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when it comes to AI's and SERM's there is a lot of confusion. Mainly because of the free use of the term "anti-estrogen" which neither of these types of compounds actually are.
Nighthawkk
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Mr.X said:
I now use hawthorn berry, 10-20mg policosanol, and 500mg garlic caps daily throughout most cycles and it brought my LDL to 172 after having it rise to 202 following a Test/Dbol/Tren cycle. I think A-dex has given me more problems than dbol because of the fact that it was never elevated the times I never used an AI and just nolv. Could be interesting to see what happens to lipids if I ran just AIFM, since nothing has yet to be mentioned about it concerning that.
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Mr.X
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macrophage69alpha said:
I don't think the confusion is in terminology. The confusion start when lack of information is in place, which happens all the time these days. Partially due to laziness and lack of research.
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Mr.X
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Nighthawkk said:
It does effect lipids, that's been stated already.
macrophage69alpha
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actually the only aromatase inhibitor by itself (not counting effects of AAS) that has been shown to adverse affect lipids is letrozole.
