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A friend of mine just converted to a new religion and she's trying to get me to go along and bring my kids. I can't help but think that the whole thing is just a cult.

Are you religious? Do you preach to others?
 
spiritual but definitely not religious. anti-religious I would say.

product of a good ol Catholic school education (i.e. daily beratings, lying, abuse of power)
 
I have my beliefs.. but its just that.. MY BELIEFS! I don't preach or try to force them on anyone.
 
use to be till i was a 10th grader in high school and asked the question if jesus is the "KING" of jews why do the jews NOT believe in hm...?
 
I have MY beliefs and values that help guide ME in MY life. I don't expect other people to agree with them, but at the same time, if someone does something that violates one of my core beliefs then they probably won't be a serious part of my life. My beliefs are found within me, not in a book or a building. They are not that difficult to understand, but they are not found in a bumper sticker, or tshirt slogan either.
 
EnderJE said:
A friend of mine just converted to a new religion and she's trying to get me to go along and bring my kids. I can't help but think that the whole thing is just a cult.

Are you religious? Do you preach to others?
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cuz it is a cult. They have come and gone over history.
The Greek Gods were the best. Like a soap opera. Sex and scandals.
This one boring white God sucks ass. He should have atleast a cool card trick or something.
 
Yes. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and noone comes to the father except through him. Many do not understand and maybe, tragically never will. He is not a myth. The gospel is foolishness to the world. The truth is revealed to those that seek earnestly. I know without a doubt that Jesus is the truth. Goodnight.
 
saint808 said:
Ha! No.... Not Really
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When you discover the truth, the truth will set you free. Your deep, dark depression will be over or will never rear it's ugly head in the same fashion again. Because you will have hope in knowing that your eternal future is secure.
 
Like most Italians, I am raised Roman Catholic. Do I believe in the church? No. Too much power, corruption and lies over the years. I also consider myself more spiritual than religious. I pray and attend church on occasion, but don't think the church laws reflect God's intentions.
 
Atheist/Agnostic - my views tend to alternate from "there is no goddamn god" to "I dont care if there is or isnt, he's a douche and I dont believe in him"
 
Parents were very religious, went through the motions for years, left a nasty aftertaste. Too much hypocrisy and contradiction in religions for my liking.

I'm sure that religion fills a gap for some people but I have my own set of morals and rules and that's what I live my life by.
 
Jay Cartwright said:
Parents were very religious, went through the motions for years, left a nasty aftertaste. Too much hypocrisy and contradiction in religions for my liking.

I'm sure that religion fills a gap for some people but I have my own set of morals and rules and that's what I live my life by.
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That hapenned to my Father. His new wife is extremely religious. Funny, they are the most judgemental, ungrateful, nasty people because of it. I'm glad I'm not like that but then they have told me I'm going to hell.

I'm spiritual. My church is walking along a prestine beach, listening to the wind in the trees, hanging out with nature. I have a huge heart and leave things better than I found them. Heck, I spend my days running around trying to save half the planet. I think I will do allright with the big man upstairs. I think he would be proud of me too. :)
 
starfish said:
That hapenned to my Father. His new wife is extremely religious. Funny, they are the most judgemental, ungrateful, nasty people because of it. I'm glad I'm not like that but then they have told me I'm going to hell.

I'm spiritual. My church is walking along a prestine beach, listening to the wind in the trees, hanging out with nature. I have a huge heart and leave things better than I found them. Heck, I spend my days running around trying to save half the planet. I think I will do allright with the big man upstairs. I think he would be proud of me too. :)
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there's not a god who would judge you wrong for that attitude. And if it did, it would not deserve your worship.

I like your church, I'll have to check it out one day.
 
UA_Iron said:
there's not a god who would judge you wrong for that attitude. And if it did, it would not deserve your worship.

I like your church, I'll have to check it out one day.
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That was sweet....you actually made my eyes tear up..Thanks :bawling: :) :rose:
 
starfish said:
I'm spiritual. My church is walking along a prestine beach, listening to the wind in the trees, hanging out with nature. I have a huge heart and leave things better than I found them. Heck, I spend my days running around trying to save half the planet. I think I will do allright with the big man upstairs. I think he would be proud of me too. :)
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I hear that. I feel far more spiritual when I'm in a situation (looking up at the stars, the power of the ocean etc) that shows me how insignificant and small I really am than I ever do when I sit and listen to some man of the cloth preaching doom and gloom.
 
i used to be, i still have a very strong faith in god...but i dont fear him like i used to, which used to keep me in line...up until 18 i was practically a saint, never drank, had sex, didnt curse that much..my parents divorced, stop going to church and it all went down hill from there.
 
UA_Iron said:
Atheist/Agnostic - my views tend to alternate from "there is no goddamn god" to "I dont care if there is or isnt, he's a douche and I dont believe in him"
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Well...this world is a dark place no doubt about it. That darkness can lead many to believe in absolutely nothing. In this life you have two choices

1. Add to the darkness (hate, don't forgive, discourage others etc.)

2. Add to the light (love your neighbor, forgive, be happy)

I try (though not always successfull) to add to the light. This world is dark enough. The darkness in the world can make many think "there is no God".
However this is not true. There has to be a God. You see, our existence had to start somewhere....wether a molecule or a chain reaction of events...whatever, but someone had to create the first molecule the first entity and the first substance....whoever created that entity had to of always been around and always will be around...the creator of that entity, is God.

Personally, I believe in Jesus Christ...his life, death, and ressurection.
I do not consider myself religious however. Religion is what confines and brings judgement and condemnation...Jesus Christ however brings life and freedom. The pharasees were religious. They considered the law sacred and they considered those who broke the law, traders...and a wayste of life.

Jesus instructs us to love the unloveable. To reach out to the broken. To uplift the needy.

He even says that his greatest commandment is to

love thy neighbor as thyself....anyhow...you asked if I am religious and this is my response.
 
hell no. It is all a false corrumpt way to try and control people. We do not need that bull shit. my only rule is the golden rule if i can but up with it then i have not problem dishing it out. if i dont like it I dont do it to others
 
biteme said:
When you discover the truth, the truth will set you free. Your deep, dark depression will be over or will never rear it's ugly head in the same fashion again. Because you will have hope in knowing that your eternal future is secure.
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Ah, there's none so pious as the newly converted.
 
musclemuscle said:
Well...this world is a dark place no doubt about it. That darkness can lead many to believe in absolutely nothing. In this life you have two choices

1. Add to the darkness (hate, don't forgive, discourage others etc.)

2. Add to the light (love your neighbor, forgive, be happy)

I try (though not always successfull) to add to the light. This world is dark enough. The darkness in the world can make many think "there is no God".
However this is not true. There has to be a God. You see, our existence had to start somewhere....wether a molecule or a chain reaction of events...whatever, but someone had to create the first molecule the first entity and the first substance....whoever created that entity had to of always been around and always will be around...the creator of that entity, is God.

Personally, I believe in Jesus Christ...his life, death, and ressurection.
I do not consider myself religious however. Religion is what confines and brings judgement and condemnation...Jesus Christ however brings life and freedom. The pharasees were religious. They considered the law sacred and they considered those who broke the law, traders...and a wayste of life.

Jesus instructs us to love the unloveable. To reach out to the broken. To uplift the needy.

He even says that his greatest commandment is to

love thy neighbor as thyself....anyhow...you asked if I am religious and this is my response.
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I'm really not going to go through this argument and deconstruct the lapse of reason - even if I did prove my points better than you proved yours you still wouldnt change your beliefs.

Your premise is faulty, and so it has led you to make questionable decisions.

1. I have more than two options in life.
2. Saying that life 'must' have come from a god is fallacy, an infinite number of possibilities exist...really who's being silly by believing and who's thinking straight by denying such unsoported claims?
 
My parents were, I am not.

I basically think god is a make believe imaginary friend for those who need it. Sadly, many people do.
 
If you want to see God, the Creator, look into the sky and see the big ball of light called the Sun, his/her energy brought life to this part of space, we are her children, his sons. Im just talking Science here, not to go into my prophetic visions. No one can deny the Sun as the giver and Creator of life no matter how much you dislike the notion of God, but even the Sun burns if you get too much. Stare at the sun, that is where the Christian cross came from. Eyes will water and distort the light into a golden cross. The cross was simply a matter of worshipping the Sun God of the most basic cultures usually end up doing it. Imagine growing up in a brand new society and no teachings of stories or education to guide or influence your thoughts. You simply toil out at an existance under a huge ball of Light, the only ever present truth that you know is that the Sun brings crops and feeds the animals, warms you when you are cold. Its when man gets a creative notion and makes up a story and tries to convince others of it that the simple truth of it all is lost. All that you taught, that which you accept was created by a man in the beginning. All which you hold as truth is just the passing on of communal memories, all of which if fallible along many points of that encultuaration. None of this real, just a reality you created in your mind.
 
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My parents were, I am not.

I basically think god is a make believe imaginary friend for those who need it. Sadly, many people do.
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something he wanted
something is out of reach
he's being taunted
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starfish said:
I'm spiritual. My church is walking along a prestine beach, listening to the wind in the trees, hanging out with nature. I have a huge heart and leave things better than I found them. Heck, I spend my days running around trying to save half the planet. I think I will do allright with the big man upstairs. I think he would be proud of me too. :)
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:rose: :)
 
Nope, but I am spiritual. I follow more of what you would consider a Native American belief in higher powers.
 
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Ah, there's none so pious as the newly converted.
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You think I would waste my time worshipping and following a false God? If I told you God came to me and revealed himself to me and told me exactly who he was, most still wouldn't believe. God will do that. I know what I know. I only come to witness so that others will seek the truth. Many here have good intentions, God's commandments are written in their hearts, but they still don't know the truth. Maybe they won't until they travel down the tunnel of light. It has been revealed to me here, so I must follow what I know to be true.
 
biteme said:
You think I would waste my time worshipping and following a false God? If I told you God came to me and revealed himself to me and told me exactly who he was, most still wouldn't believe. God will do that. I know what I know. I only come to witness so that others will seek the truth. Many here have good intentions, God's commandments are written in their hearts, but they still don't know the truth. Maybe they won't until they travel down the tunnel of light. It has been revealed to me here, so I must follow what I know to be true.
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Lestat has called it sad that people need God. He is in the dark. I have never been so excited in my life. I do not worry about death. I know that God has something for me to do and I plan on doing it. My only concern is that I will let him down and get caught up in the world. But this time, that will not happen. I'm staying the course. God's way, not my way.
 
Frisky said:
I have my beliefs.. but its just that.. MY BELIEFS! I don't preach or try to force them on anyone.
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exactly i really dont undertand the whole "go out and convert everyone" to what you happen to believe in..

muslim catholic jew who give a rats ass do your thing and leave me the fuck alone..if im 'lost" and i come to you for guidance and you wanna preach to me fine..but otherwise shut your damn pie hole
 
I'm interested in religeon and really want to change my ways and be a better person eg:father,brother,son,friend ect.I have always believed in god but now I want more from life and find myself ready to commit to something but dont know how to go about it.I know it takes more than reading the bible or going to church but I want to be rid of my sins and free of guilt.I seek a better life for myself and my children. :verygood:
 
Testosterone boy said:
I think religion helps a hella lot of people.

It could be great....but so could everything else.

I am perfectly content with occassional prayers.

Never been married so I feel that God looks out for me.
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Unfortunately, it has harmed many more.
 
strangebrew said:
I have a giant statue of Dan Marino in my living room.

I worship him daily.
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What does your brother believe? The one that you called very intelligent.
 
EnderJE said:
A friend of mine just converted to a new religion and she's trying to get me to go along and bring my kids. I can't help but think that the whole thing is just a cult.

Are you religious? Do you preach to others?
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I am christian, but i do not preach to others. Friends and I talk about religion but i do not tell anyone they should believe in what i do.

If you decide you want to try a church out/bring your kids to sunday school check it out first. Some churches are like cults, speaking in tongues and other BS.

When i was a kid i went to a lutheran church for sunday school, they didnt force thier views on me, just explained. I think its good to at least intoduce your kids to religion. I stopped going to church when i was 10 or 11. My sister is 14 now and still goes to a youth group at that church and it does a lot of good things for her.


Hey- it will get the kids off your hands for a few hours :verygood:
 
UA_Iron said:
I'm really not going to go through this argument and deconstruct the lapse of reason - even if I did prove my points better than you proved yours you still wouldnt change your beliefs.

Your premise is faulty, and so it has led you to make questionable decisions.

1. I have more than two options in life.
2. Saying that life 'must' have come from a god is fallacy, an infinite number of possibilities exist...really who's being silly by believing and who's thinking straight by denying such unsoported claims?
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MUSCLEMUSCLE wasnt tryin to fight your opinion he just expressed his.....

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and shouldnt be judged for it.

I respect your views and understand them, but do you find anything wrong with the people that do choose to be religious? The bible is a book of morals written and changed over time for what they wanted people to believe is right, example the bible king james VERSION ......

if you look for "light" so to speak and find true peace within a religion, whats wrong with it?
 
biteme said:
You think I would waste my time worshipping and following a false God? If I told you God came to me and revealed himself to me and told me exactly who he was, most still wouldn't believe. God will do that. I know what I know. I only come to witness so that others will seek the truth. Many here have good intentions, God's commandments are written in their hearts, but they still don't know the truth. Maybe they won't until they travel down the tunnel of light. It has been revealed to me here, so I must follow what I know to be true.
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I'm an agnostic. I'm not going to tell you that I think your concept of God is false, because I don't believe that it can be known. I don't believe that a religious experience can be distinguished from a hallucination, because the power of the human mind to delude itself is very strong. I'm not saying you're deluding yourself, don't misunderstand, but the possibility is there.

What I AM saying, though, is that I know preachers and priests who are less pious than you are right now. They have chosen to dedicate their lives to teaching the way, but they have a balance between their religion and their secular lives.
 
I have no religion. Does not mean I do not have faith and belief in an Almighty that reins supreme over all.

Rationalism as the basis of morality and philosophy. And something called science that I am pulling for.
 
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MUSCLEMUSCLE wasnt tryin to fight your opinion he just expressed his.....

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and shouldnt be judged for it.

I respect your views and understand them, but do you find anything wrong with the people that do choose to be religious? The bible is a book of morals written and changed over time for what they wanted people to believe is right, example the bible king james VERSION ......

if you look for "light" so to speak and find true peace within a religion, whats wrong with it?
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I disagree with his conclusions and rational.

He can believe whatever he wants, I never said he shouldnt believe in a god - just threw in a twist to get some critical thinking involved.
 
No, I have seen “religion” (I know believers don’t like It called that) give people strength to deal with situations that I couldn’t. I sometimes wish I could believe. I do live by a good code of moral values and now, always treat others how I would want to be treated, situations reversed. Does that count for anything?
 
UA_Iron said:
I disagree with his conclusions and rational.

He can believe whatever he wants, I never said he shouldnt believe in a god - just threw in a twist to get some critical thinking involved.
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Whats funny though is that in an honest intellectual, philosophical debate your positions and arguments are just as uncritical in thinking as well, simple anthropological 101 concepts on enculturation would prove your position just as weak as a believer in God. For true critical thinking you need to think outside the box and visit a forum that discusses issues like these, your debate points that youve demonstrated thus far would be eviscerated in moments and from people unbiased about religion, just people that do think critically.
 
Eringobraugh said:
Whats funny though is that in an honest intellectual, philosophical debate your positions and arguments are just as uncritical in thinking as well, simple anthropological 101 concepts on enculturation would prove your position just as weak as a believer in God. For true critical thinking you need to think outside the box and visit a forum that discusses issues like these, your debate points that youve demonstrated thus far would be eviscerated in moments and from people unbiased about religion, just people that do think critically.
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point em out.
 
when i die i will injoy the nothingness as there will be nothing i will be dead.
my am happy because of hormones and chemical singnals.. I am mad from the same.
I am horney the same. This is all reactions from my body. when it is dead. I will not be able to use it.. i will be dead.. what makes you think you will become a ghost.
and they be able to feel or have thought without a brain? you will have not brain you will have no thoughts?? ....... maybe this is a happy place for sum.. but makes no since to me.. here is life then there is none .. what is the big deal..
 
I consider myself to be spiritual, but not religious. I don't believe in organized religion as it was created by man who believe in exclusion, hate, hypocrisy and control. I don't believe in confession or the need of, nor do I believe in hell.

God (or whatever you choose to call the Higher Power) is everywhere -- in nature, animals, etc......I pray nightly and speak to Him whenever I want to. I feel that my current existence is yet 1 level of several planes of existence.....
 
EnderJE said:
A friend of mine just converted to a new religion and she's trying to get me to go along and bring my kids.
I’m no theologian, but I'm thinking becoming religious to score a piece of tail is probably the wrong reason. ;)
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I am not religious, but I have nothing against those who are. Some need that kind of set of morals to live after. I don't. What I hate is people who preach their shit and put those down who choose not to follow it.
 
I was until I took an eigth of shrooms and squeegeed my third eye and shattered all of my insecure "self indulgent delusions" (as I think maj said once).

...and fryde mai brane 4 gute.
 
biteme said:
Lestat has called it sad that people need God. He is in the dark. I have never been so excited in my life. I do not worry about death. I know that God has something for me to do and I plan on doing it. My only concern is that I will let him down and get caught up in the world. But this time, that will not happen. I'm staying the course. God's way, not my way.
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Its this type of thinking that ensures that EVERY civilization will always have religion.

Its beautiful really.

You do realize that this exact same feeling you are exeriencing was what Egyptian gods gave their worshipers, and Aztec gods, and roman gods, etc.

Whatever works for you man, God Bless.
 
The Angry Mule said:
I'm interested in religeon and really want to change my ways and be a better person eg:father,brother,son,friend ect.I have always believed in god but now I want more from life and find myself ready to commit to something but dont know how to go about it.I know it takes more than reading the bible or going to church but I want to be rid of my sins and free of guilt.I seek a better life for myself and my children. :verygood:
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I hardly ever respond to these threads...but yes I am very religious. I came to my religion for the exact reason Angry Mule wrote....but I went becasue it ment more to my hubby to be married in the Catholic church (he was rasied Catholic) I fell in love with the tradition, the rituals everything that so many cradle catholics resent fore they do not understand thier own religion. I want my children to love thier religion and to walk in the way of the light...I AS A PARENT AM RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THAT TO THEM! Not them finding it one day on their own...To many kids are left making the choice, but how can they make a choice with no foundation?
 
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I hardly ever respond to these threads...but yes I am very religious. I came to my religion for the exact reason Angry Mule wrote....but I went becasue it ment more to my hubby to be married in the Catholic church (he was rasied Catholic) I fell in love with the tradition, the rituals everything that so many cradle catholics resent fore they do not understand thier own religion. I want my children to love thier religion and to walk in the way of the light...I AS A PARENT AM RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THAT TO THEM! Not them finding it one day on their own...To many kids are left making the choice, but how can they make a choice with no foundation?
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No disrespect GG but don't you think giving them a choice would be your responsibility as a parent? I struggle with my wife on this one as she is a muslim and wishes to raise them in Islam. I want them to grow up with an open mind and study/learn about various religions. Then they can decide what is right for them. They're not making a choice without a foundation if they read/study/learn about religion.

You wish to raise your children teaching them about the Catholic church, my wife wishes to do the same to our children with Islam. That strikes me more as brainwashing than giving them a foundation. Teach them our religion so they know of nothing else. Get 'em while they're young. Sorry, that's harsh but I really have strong feelings about the subject. I see it with all my nieces and nephews, they're taught Islam and religion every day and know nothing else. They just assume that's the way things are and accept it. I'd like to see the percentages of kids that grow up and practice the same religion as their parents, I would bet it's significant.
 
No I think I think it gives them something to base their choices upon....many people grow up and leave the church for what fits them...I don't want my kids wondering what faith they are or who is God and ect....It gives them a foundation and if they change later..they change...though I would hope not....
 
I wasnt raised religious and I came to my own conclusions.

Religion is hereditary, there's no denying that. Show them Catholicism and there's a good chance that's how they will end up.

Religion is not necessary for a solid moral foundation - in fact many times the non-believer has the stronger sense of morality. This is because the non-believer decided for themself what is logical and makes sense and spent more time pondering such issues.
 
Maybe? but I went from bing nothng to being Catholic and was never given any real religious upbringing....
 
Nope.. not even a little bit.

Ive never felt Ive needed mythology or misguided rituals to tell me right from wrong or keep me on the straight and narrow.

There are self evident tuths to functioning in a social structure.. truths that benefit the majority. When not being twisted by individuals to manipulate the masses these "truths" are pretty common among all religions with nothing more than symantic differences.

Seems that simple common sense and the basic laws of social creatures should be enough to guide you.. when you lack willpower and need things like religion to keep you on the straight and narrow.. well.. I guess that speaks for itself.
 
jenscats5 said:
I consider myself to be spiritual, but not religious. I don't believe in organized religion as it was created by man who believe in exclusion, hate, hypocrisy and control. I don't believe in confession or the need of, nor do I believe in hell.

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Yep... :qt:
 
im more spiritual though Im suppose to be catholic,Ive gathered my own beliefs which are very different than any religion I know of and def not the norm so I keep my opinions on things to myself because most people would call me a so called "sinner" and say Im a hypocrite with how I live and what I claim I believe,simply because they dont understand my outlook
 
Interesting responses. I have one thing to say to all of you unbelievers and followers of false religions. You are wrong and you will see. I promise. Goodnight. :)
 
biteme said:
Interesting responses. I have one thing to say to all of you unbelievers and followers of false religions. You are wrong and you will see. I promise. Goodnight. :)
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Yes they are interesting. People think they can just do good things while here and not believe and expect God to usher them into heaven. There is a lot more that has to be done.
 
HumorMe said:
Yes they are interesting. People think they can just do good things while here and not believe and expect God to usher them into heaven. There is a lot more that has to be done.
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Explain why. Why should someone who is 100X more righteous than you but does not believe in accepting something on blind faith be denied entry into 'heaven'? That is beyond bizarre. These are reasons why I cannot accept organized religion. You can be the best, most honest, most pious person in the world but if you don't blindly accept a book written by men and a saviour of which there is little evidence, you are forever condemned to 'hell'.
 
biteme said:
Interesting responses. I have one thing to say to all of you unbelievers and followers of false religions. You are wrong and you will see. I promise. Goodnight. :)
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lmao

Unbelievable.
 
bluepeter said:
Explain why. Why should someone who is 100X more righteous than you but does not believe in accepting something on blind faith be denied entry into 'heaven'? That is beyond bizarre. These are reasons why I cannot accept organized religion. You can be the best, most honest, most pious person in the world but if you don't blindly accept a book written by men and a saviour of which there is little evidence, you are forever condemned to 'hell'.
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yep...I highly doubt all the people who have existed on this planet over time who have never even heard of Jesus Christ are in hell either.

No all loving God would do that to anyone.
 
im spiritual.. and i respect ppls faith..

Although im catholic and beleive in god i don't go to church so can't say im religious but i do beleive in god.

Definately belive in karma
 
bluepeter said:
Explain why. Why should someone who is 100X more righteous than you but does not believe in accepting something on blind faith be denied entry into 'heaven'? That is beyond bizarre. These are reasons why I cannot accept organized religion. You can be the best, most honest, most pious person in the world but if you don't blindly accept a book written by men and a saviour of which there is little evidence, you are forever condemned to 'hell'.
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That's the beauty of Christianity. Accept Christ as your personal Saviour and have eternal life forever.

This subject has been hack to death in this forum and many others around the net numerous times. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind and nothing you can say to me that will shake my Faith in God.

I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christ was real and the Son of God. I asked Him to come into my life many years ago and He did. I ask Him to forgive me of my sins everyday because I am a sinner and need forgiveness.

I have talked to no less than 13 people (believers and nonbelievers) who have had near death or out of body experiences and am convinced there is life after death. The believers speak of a peaceful feeling with no pain and a very bright beautiful light that is so awesome you can't look away. They speak of seeing relatives there waiting on them to join them. My mother-in-law was one of these persons. Her story is/was quite convincing (She is dead now and told my wife ten years before she died when she was going to die almost to the day)

The two nonbelievers I talked to are now Christians. They have seen the other side and they did not like it. They spoke of darkness and pain and torment.

Like I said, you are free to believe what you want and that is fine and I respect that. Respect my position and leave it at that. We can agree to disagree.
 
HumorMe said:
That's the beauty of Christianity. Accept Christ as your personal Saviour and have eternal life forever.

This subject has been hack to death in this forum and many others around the net numerous times. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind and nothing you can say to me that will shake my Faith in God.

I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christ was real and the Son of God. I asked Him to come into my life many years ago and He did. I ask Him to forgive me of my sins everyday because I am a sinner and need forgiveness.

I have talked to no less than 13 people (believers and nonbelievers) who have had near death or out of body experiences and am convinced there is life after death. The believers speak of a peaceful feeling with no pain and a very bright beautiful light that is so awesome you can't look away. They speak of seeing relatives there waiting on them to join them. My mother-in-law was one of these persons. Her story is/was quite convincing (She is dead now and told my wife ten years before she died when she was going to die almost to the day)

The two nonbelievers I talked to are now Christians. They have seen the other side and they did not like it. They spoke of darkness and pain and torment.

Like I said, you are free to believe what you want and that is fine and I respect that. Respect my position and leave it at that. We can agree to disagree.
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Very well said my friend and rest assured that I respect your belief.
 
I am quietly spiritual and rarely if ever preach or try to evalgalize(sp?)

Convert people if at all by example, not by words IMO
 
Gymgurl said:
I hardly ever respond to these threads...but yes I am very religious. I came to my religion for the exact reason Angry Mule wrote....but I went becasue it ment more to my hubby to be married in the Catholic church (he was rasied Catholic) I fell in love with the tradition, the rituals everything that so many cradle catholics resent fore they do not understand thier own religion. I want my children to love thier religion and to walk in the way of the light...I AS A PARENT AM RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THAT TO THEM! Not them finding it one day on their own...To many kids are left making the choice, but how can they make a choice with no foundation?
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That's great, you fell in love with some traditions. But you have to really ask yourself.

Do you believe that this guy Jesus Christ was the SON of an almighty god and by believing that he died for your sins will somehow get you to heaven?

Think about that for a bit, strip away all the traditions and ceremonies and think about that. WHat basis do you have to hold that true?

Religion is something that evolved as man evolved. Men NEEDED something to explain why floods happenned, why a volcano erupted, why famine hit sometimes... without religion and God to explain it, we would have died early deaths due to stress.

So imagine you were living with the aztecs thousands of years ago.. you learned about their religion adn gods and loved the tradition, what if they came to you and asked to throw your virgin daughter into a volcano to make the gods happy. You are exactly the type that would have handed your kid over and thought you were doing the right thing!

That catholic church you hold so dear is responsible for so much death in the world it makes me sick. Why did they have a torture chamber in the basement of churchs? (Galleleo was threatened with it for teaching that the sun was the center of the solar system, not the earth). Think of how many people have been butchered in the name of the lord.

I grew up in a strict religious home, I know the traditions can be fun.. they are familiar, they give you a sense of belonging and purpose.. they bring people together. But you need to examine what it is all founded on. A big joke really, no disrespect to you.
 
NO fucking shit Lestat, ancient Greeks believed in
* Zeus
* Poseidon
* Hades
* Hestia
* Hera
* Ares
* Athena
* Apollo
* Aphrodite
* Hermes
* Artemis
* Hephaestus

Just as much as Today's christians believe in Jesus and the Trinity, and the book of fairy tales.

Today's religions are rather new...and just as (un)believable as the rest I suppose.


I crave the day that man sheds this shadow.
 
I don't believe in things that aren't proven.. prove to me there is a god and i will believe! I don't believe in the big bang theory either and i dont believe miss elliot should have got a record contract!
 
CrayonOfDoom2 said:
NO fucking shit Lestat, ancient Greeks believed in
* Zeus
* Poseidon
* Hades
* Hestia
* Hera
* Ares
* Athena
* Apollo
* Aphrodite
* Hermes
* Artemis
* Hephaestus

Just as much as Today's christians believe in Jesus and the Trinity, and the book of fairy tales.

Today's religions are rather new...and just as (un)believable as the rest I suppose.


I crave the day that man sheds this shadow.
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When the Apostle Paul visited Greece, they had a statue that says, "To the unknown God." The Apostle Paul said to them, "I can tell you who that God is." And so it is. Jesus Christ will live forever. Peace.
 
HumorMe said:
That's the beauty of Christianity. Accept Christ as your personal Saviour and have eternal life forever.

This subject has been hack to death in this forum and many others around the net numerous times. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind and nothing you can say to me that will shake my Faith in God.

I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christ was real and the Son of God. I asked Him to come into my life many years ago and He did. I ask Him to forgive me of my sins everyday because I am a sinner and need forgiveness.

I have talked to no less than 13 people (believers and nonbelievers) who have had near death or out of body experiences and am convinced there is life after death. The believers speak of a peaceful feeling with no pain and a very bright beautiful light that is so awesome you can't look away. They speak of seeing relatives there waiting on them to join them. My mother-in-law was one of these persons. Her story is/was quite convincing (She is dead now and told my wife ten years before she died when she was going to die almost to the day)

The two nonbelievers I talked to are now Christians. They have seen the other side and they did not like it. They spoke of darkness and pain and torment.

Like I said, you are free to believe what you want and that is fine and I respect that. Respect my position and leave it at that. We can agree to disagree.
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A religious lady that I use to work with, worked in a nursing home. How many of you have visited nursing homes? Not a pretty sight. She said that the Christians had a more peaceful death, but that unbelievers went out hard.
 
biteme said:
A religious lady that I use to work with, worked in a nursing home. How many of you have visited nursing homes? Not a pretty sight. She said that the Christians had a more peaceful death, but that unbelievers went out hard.
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That is very interesting. I have become fascinated with the subject of "the other side" of life. Listening to the people I have talked to will put chill bumps on you in a skinny minute. Knowing there is something on the other side just strengthens my belief in God.
 
HumorMe said:
That is very interesting. I have become fascinated with the subject of "the other side" of life. Listening to the people I have talked to will put chill bumps on you in a skinny minute. Knowing there is something on the other side just strengthens my belief in God.
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When I first began seeking for answers, I read many books on 'life after death'. I had to know because I nearly lost my 3 year old daughter. I had an open mind and was willing to explore any avenue that offered proof of life after death. I too heard and read many amazing stories. However, I was quite surprised when God revealed to me who he is. I screamed to the top of my lungs one night while alone, "I have a right to know who you are!!" Not very long after that, he began to show me. I had to show love to other people.
 
EnderJE said:
Does this include your sister?
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LOL. Yes it does. I do love her, but I'm glad I no longer have to live with her.
 
biteme said:
When I first began seeking for answers, I read many books on 'life after death'. I had to know because I nearly lost my 3 year old daughter. I had an open mind and was willing to explore any avenue that offered proof of life after death. I too heard and read many amazing stories. However, I was quite surprised when God revealed to me who he is. I screamed to the top of my lungs one night while alone, "I have a right to know who you are!!" Not very long after that, he began to show me. I had to show love to other people.
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Nice post biteme. That is what it is about. Seek and you shall find.:)
 
Gymgurl said:
I hardly ever respond to these threads...but yes I am very religious. I came to my religion for the exact reason Angry Mule wrote....but I went becasue it ment more to my hubby to be married in the Catholic church (he was rasied Catholic) I fell in love with the tradition, the rituals everything that so many cradle catholics resent fore they do not understand thier own religion. I want my children to love thier religion and to walk in the way of the light...I AS A PARENT AM RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THAT TO THEM! Not them finding it one day on their own...To many kids are left making the choice, but how can they make a choice with no foundation?
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I was raised a Catholic & went to Catholic school, etc....However, I understand my religion more, thus causing me to resent it then the other way around..... Not understanding Catholicism did not breed resentment, understanding of it did.....

Also, I don't claim that "all" Catholic churches/member, etc are "bad, evil" etc.....However, forcing children to commit acts in the name of Catholicism & telling them they are doomed to Hell no matter what is not what a religion should be about....Cathocism is but one form of formal, organized religion & it can be beautiful -- but it is not the ONE, know-all, end-all, perfect religion for everyone. Every religion has it's beautiful parts and it's dark side.....

And I don't believe in Hell -- like the Wiccan faith, I believe one goes to a Hell of their own creation in their own mind, for sins they cannot deal with in this life....

See you all in the Land of Summer....
 
I got the best karma message in my history at EF today because of a post I made on this thread.

"I'm so fucking sick of this subject, it's nice to see someone with my view post who can actually put thoughts into words, K for doing what I can't."
 
Lestat said:
I got the best karma message in my history at EF today because of a post I made on this thread.

"I'm so fucking sick of this subject, it's nice to see someone with my view post who can actually put thoughts into words, K for doing what I can't."
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It matters not. You're still wrong.
 
jenscats5 said:
I was raised a Catholic & went to Catholic school, etc....However, I understand my religion more, thus causing me to resent it then the other way around..... Not understanding Catholicism did not breed resentment, understanding of it did.....

Also, I don't claim that "all" Catholic churches/member, etc are "bad, evil" etc.....However, forcing children to commit acts in the name of Catholicism & telling them they are doomed to Hell no matter what is not what a religion should be about....Cathocism is but one form of formal, organized religion & it can be beautiful -- but it is not the ONE, know-all, end-all, perfect religion for everyone. Every religion has it's beautiful parts and it's dark side.....

And I don't believe in Hell -- like the Wiccan faith, I believe one goes to a Hell of their own creation in their own mind, for sins they cannot deal with in this life....

See you all in the Land of Summer....
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Just thought of this: I am in no way referring to the Priest sex scandal....
 
biteme said:
It matters not. You're still wrong.
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One can still accept God & Jesus and be faithful without belonging to an organized religion or church....
 
jenscats5 said:
One can still accept God & Jesus and be faithful without belonging to an organized religion or church....
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He doesn't.
 
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