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I know better to answer to this, BUT, I do, but don't believe. I do cause it would be nice to have a place like heaven to go to, BUT I don't cause it is too damn hard to believe in all the crap.
Name one miracle that god has done here lately, like all teh shit he did in the bible.
the big flood, I don't think so.
Just my beliefs.
Hell, even if there is a heaven, "everyone" goes there, they have to!! I am serious too!! Awhile back a priest back home said that you act how you do because of God. So if you don't believe here on earth, it is his fault and has to accept you. But when you get to heaven, Then you will believe.
None the less, he was "asked" to leave the church.
Whiskey
Name one miracle that god has done here lately, like all teh shit he did in the bible.
the big flood, I don't think so.
Just my beliefs.
Hell, even if there is a heaven, "everyone" goes there, they have to!! I am serious too!! Awhile back a priest back home said that you act how you do because of God. So if you don't believe here on earth, it is his fault and has to accept you. But when you get to heaven, Then you will believe.
None the less, he was "asked" to leave the church.
Whiskey
GenetiKing
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I read the Bible once.
It was okay I guess.
If you're into fiction, try some Greek mythology. Much more entertaining.
It was okay I guess.
If you're into fiction, try some Greek mythology. Much more entertaining.
sermon_of_mockery
Snurd Nurdler
perkele said:
ok this I agree with you on,but thats it.
KHMER ROGUE
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Uh-oh, I smell a fight coming on...
sermon_of_mockery
Snurd Nurdler
KHMER ROGUE said:
I might as well make it a 3some, hell Perkele, you, Sermon & I found common ground.
Jesus, was a heretic/vagrant, not unlike countless other wanderers of that day, claiming he was the messiah and the son
of God, it was common jibber-jabber in those days. He was
put to death with 2 common criminals, and no one gave a crap
at the time.
None of the so-called "Apostles" ever knew him, and started spewing their garbage decades after Jesus was dead.
Boy, can't wait for all the bad karma on this
Jesus, was a heretic/vagrant, not unlike countless other wanderers of that day, claiming he was the messiah and the son
of God, it was common jibber-jabber in those days. He was
put to death with 2 common criminals, and no one gave a crap
at the time.
None of the so-called "Apostles" ever knew him, and started spewing their garbage decades after Jesus was dead.
Boy, can't wait for all the bad karma on this
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Advaik
Guest
Do I believe a being that could walk on water, turn water into wine, spread the oceans (or was that someone else?), and ressurected himself? No. If there was, why hasnt there been a being that could do that since? How come he did not ressurect again? There's so many questions. I do believe there was a very faithful man named Jesus that led a holy war, but I do not believe he was a miracle being. We are all sons of "God" whatever He or It might be, so I don't think that is a very valid treatment of who Jesus was.
the People's Champ
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I am not religious in a sense where I visit a place of worship and pray. I do not worship a god. I guess i am atheist, or agnostic. I just don't think about it, actually.
If you're into fiction, try some Greek mythology. Much more entertaining.
How do you know it's fiction? And your comparing it to Greek Mythology? I'm sorry but this is an ignorant statement. No 'dis on you. You just don't know what you're talking about. Do you realize that Homer wrote the Iliad in 800BC? And the earliest copy we have in existance was discovered in 400BC? That's a 400 year gap between what he wrote and what is documented. 400 years.
Compared to manuscripts we have from the new testament which has, at the most, a 50+ year gap from the time of inception.
How do we know what was written hasn't changed?
Transcriptions were conducted under strict supervision, if breached will result in death. This involves anywhere from ritual garbs, having been trained under strict tutelage, a numeric pattern matching system between translations (they numbered certain points in text, down to the letters and punctuation, then later bookmarked them and randomly checked to see if the translations match up. They even payed close attention to the ink used so as to assure that the word yahweh was not written with a freshly-dipped pen to prevent ink-blotches.)
“In extraordinary ways, modern archeology has affirmed the historical core of the Old and New Testaments--corroborating key portions of the stories of Israel’s patriarchs, the Exodus, the Davidic monarchy, the life and times of Jesus.”
-Jeffrey Shelter, “Is the Bible True?”
US News and World Report, Oct. 25, 1999, P. 52
None of the so-called "Apostles" ever knew him, and started spewing their garbage decades after Jesus was dead.
Do you have proof? I have proof to say that they were written closer than that. Try 10 or so years. Earliest writings were done around 45AD. Jesus died around 30-40AD. This figure is for the deviation created by secular sources that standerdized the roman calendar. Jesus was actually born in 6AD.
One philosopher wrote that:
“The tests show that even two generations is too short to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts.”
-William Lane Craig, The Son Rises, P. 101
On the objection of Jesus' divinity:
There are over forty prophecies concerning the coming Messiah, in the Old Testament and Jesus fulfilled every one. Some say this is just coincidence. But, the odds of just one person fulfilling even five of these prophesies is less than one chance in one hundred million billion--a number millions of times greater than the number of all people who have ever lived on earth.
But maybe this isn't all it seems. Objections to the correlation of Jesus' life to the prophecies of the Messiah fall into four categories. The first is the coincidence argument, which we just dispelled. Perhaps the most frequently heard argument is that the gospel writers fabricated the details to make it appear that Jesus was the Messiah. But the gospels were written close enough in time to the actual events that, if false, critics could have exposed the details. Certainly this is true of those in the Jewish community who had every reason to squash this new religion before it got started.
Third, there is the suggestion that Jesus intentionally fulfilled these many prophecies so as to make Himself appear as the Messiah. That's conceivable for some of the prophecies, such as Jesus' riding into Jerusalem on a donkey, but for others it's impossible. How could Jesus arrange for his ancestry, or place of birth, or the method of execution, or that soldiers would gamble for his clothing? The list goes on.
Fourth, perhaps Christians have just ripped these so-called prophecies out of context and have misinterpreted them. When asked in an interview, Louis Lapides, a prominant former-Jewish thinker sighed and replied:
You know, I go through books that people write to try to tear down what we believe. That's not fun to do, but I spend the time to look at each objection individually and then to research the context and the wording in the original language. And every single time, the prophecies have stood up and shown themselves to be true.
Some facts you may or may not know about jesus and the bible:
1)The number of copies
There are:
a)5,686 hand written Greek N.T. manuscripts
b)10,000 Latin Vulgate
c)Close to 25,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament exist today
2)The time interval between the original and the existing copies.
The N.T. has earlier manuscripts closer to the time of original composition .
a)John Ryland fragment (117-138 A.D.)- one generation
b) Bodmer Papyrus (150-200 A.D. )- whole books
c)Chester Beatty Papyri (250 A.D.)-most of the N.T.
d)Codex Vaticanus (325-350 A.D. (nearly all the bible)
secular sources for the historicity of Jesus by writer, date, and subject:
Cornellius 112 Death of Jesus at the Tacitus hands of Pilate Lucian 2nd Cen. The new cult of Christianity
Flavius 66 Life/Death of Jesus
Josephus Suetonius 120 Christ-The reason for Jews expulsion from Rome
Pliny 112 Christians bound not to sin - Jesus
Thallus 52 Histories-Darkness at Christ’s death (eclipse)
Philegon 1st cent. Darkness=Eclipse
Mara Bar- 73 Calamities brought by
Serapion deaths. Socrates, Pythagorus, and Jesus
Internal evidence
How do you know it's fiction? And your comparing it to Greek Mythology? I'm sorry but this is an ignorant statement. No 'dis on you. You just don't know what you're talking about. Do you realize that Homer wrote the Iliad in 800BC? And the earliest copy we have in existance was discovered in 400BC? That's a 400 year gap between what he wrote and what is documented. 400 years.
Compared to manuscripts we have from the new testament which has, at the most, a 50+ year gap from the time of inception.
How do we know what was written hasn't changed?
Transcriptions were conducted under strict supervision, if breached will result in death. This involves anywhere from ritual garbs, having been trained under strict tutelage, a numeric pattern matching system between translations (they numbered certain points in text, down to the letters and punctuation, then later bookmarked them and randomly checked to see if the translations match up. They even payed close attention to the ink used so as to assure that the word yahweh was not written with a freshly-dipped pen to prevent ink-blotches.)
“In extraordinary ways, modern archeology has affirmed the historical core of the Old and New Testaments--corroborating key portions of the stories of Israel’s patriarchs, the Exodus, the Davidic monarchy, the life and times of Jesus.”
-Jeffrey Shelter, “Is the Bible True?”
US News and World Report, Oct. 25, 1999, P. 52
None of the so-called "Apostles" ever knew him, and started spewing their garbage decades after Jesus was dead.
Do you have proof? I have proof to say that they were written closer than that. Try 10 or so years. Earliest writings were done around 45AD. Jesus died around 30-40AD. This figure is for the deviation created by secular sources that standerdized the roman calendar. Jesus was actually born in 6AD.
One philosopher wrote that:
“The tests show that even two generations is too short to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts.”
-William Lane Craig, The Son Rises, P. 101
On the objection of Jesus' divinity:
There are over forty prophecies concerning the coming Messiah, in the Old Testament and Jesus fulfilled every one. Some say this is just coincidence. But, the odds of just one person fulfilling even five of these prophesies is less than one chance in one hundred million billion--a number millions of times greater than the number of all people who have ever lived on earth.
But maybe this isn't all it seems. Objections to the correlation of Jesus' life to the prophecies of the Messiah fall into four categories. The first is the coincidence argument, which we just dispelled. Perhaps the most frequently heard argument is that the gospel writers fabricated the details to make it appear that Jesus was the Messiah. But the gospels were written close enough in time to the actual events that, if false, critics could have exposed the details. Certainly this is true of those in the Jewish community who had every reason to squash this new religion before it got started.
Third, there is the suggestion that Jesus intentionally fulfilled these many prophecies so as to make Himself appear as the Messiah. That's conceivable for some of the prophecies, such as Jesus' riding into Jerusalem on a donkey, but for others it's impossible. How could Jesus arrange for his ancestry, or place of birth, or the method of execution, or that soldiers would gamble for his clothing? The list goes on.
Fourth, perhaps Christians have just ripped these so-called prophecies out of context and have misinterpreted them. When asked in an interview, Louis Lapides, a prominant former-Jewish thinker sighed and replied:
You know, I go through books that people write to try to tear down what we believe. That's not fun to do, but I spend the time to look at each objection individually and then to research the context and the wording in the original language. And every single time, the prophecies have stood up and shown themselves to be true.
Some facts you may or may not know about jesus and the bible:
1)The number of copies
There are:
a)5,686 hand written Greek N.T. manuscripts
b)10,000 Latin Vulgate
c)Close to 25,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament exist today
2)The time interval between the original and the existing copies.
The N.T. has earlier manuscripts closer to the time of original composition .
a)John Ryland fragment (117-138 A.D.)- one generation
b) Bodmer Papyrus (150-200 A.D. )- whole books
c)Chester Beatty Papyri (250 A.D.)-most of the N.T.
d)Codex Vaticanus (325-350 A.D. (nearly all the bible)
secular sources for the historicity of Jesus by writer, date, and subject:
Cornellius 112 Death of Jesus at the Tacitus hands of Pilate Lucian 2nd Cen. The new cult of Christianity
Flavius 66 Life/Death of Jesus
Josephus Suetonius 120 Christ-The reason for Jews expulsion from Rome
Pliny 112 Christians bound not to sin - Jesus
Thallus 52 Histories-Darkness at Christ’s death (eclipse)
Philegon 1st cent. Darkness=Eclipse
Mara Bar- 73 Calamities brought by
Serapion deaths. Socrates, Pythagorus, and Jesus
Internal evidence
plornive
New member
This is a funny thread. "Like, uhhh, let's talk about that Jesus stuff I've been hearing about"
My answer is that I am not religious. I don't disagree with most pantheist ideas, but don't understand the need to label existence in Judeo-Christian terms, which so many pantheists have.
Greek mythology is good stuff --- I enjoy role playing as Dionysis with women role playing as aphrodite. Good stuff.
My answer is that I am not religious. I don't disagree with most pantheist ideas, but don't understand the need to label existence in Judeo-Christian terms, which so many pantheists have.
Greek mythology is good stuff --- I enjoy role playing as Dionysis with women role playing as aphrodite. Good stuff.
huntmaster
New member
i believe in Jesus
plornive
New member
You are well informed about your beliefs.rotovibe said:
By the way, I put out an interesting thead a while back you might be interested in glancing at. It doesn't relate to the question of the existence of 'God'. It is a socialogical thesis. I can back up my belief that the Confucian "God" (translation to English) is pantheist and completely distinct from the western notion of 'God' if ya want.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157106&highlight=confucianism
sorry but the bible has no more credibility than greek mythology.
really? Is that greek mythology in general? Or specific writings?
What basis of measurement (that can make a reasonable argument), if any, do you use to make that kind of claim?
Bible | Greek Mythology
I'd like to hear your thoughts...
really? Is that greek mythology in general? Or specific writings?
What basis of measurement (that can make a reasonable argument), if any, do you use to make that kind of claim?
Bible | Greek Mythology
I'd like to hear your thoughts...
as so are you 
Thanks for the post. I'll read it sometime. My guess, from what I've read so far, you amended your statement a little bit later in that post? I'm assuming you did, unless I'm seeing something in your statement that I'm not comprehending well.
'Confucianism shows that 'God' is ultimately obsolete'
PS - you still moving overseas?
Thanks for the post. I'll read it sometime. My guess, from what I've read so far, you amended your statement a little bit later in that post? I'm assuming you did, unless I'm seeing something in your statement that I'm not comprehending well.
'Confucianism shows that 'God' is ultimately obsolete'
PS - you still moving overseas?
Oh ok, I get what you're saying. I was reading it while I typed and I ran across your revision...
The ancestor worship stuff is really interesting...I have friends that are cantonese, and they've explained it to me a little. Talk about parental pressure...
sweet...
I bet they have some mad food over there...I heard they eat birds 'whole', feathers and all, in their soup. I would be stocking up on pepto if I was going...
The ancestor worship stuff is really interesting...I have friends that are cantonese, and they've explained it to me a little. Talk about parental pressure...
sweet...
I bet they have some mad food over there...I heard they eat birds 'whole', feathers and all, in their soup. I would be stocking up on pepto if I was going...
plornive
New member
Most Cantonese food is very subtle tasting and extremely fresh. Lots of seafood, whole prawns, etc. with really tasty veggies. Very healty. I'm really into prawns (I actually enjoy eating the yellow gack that comes out of the heads).rotovibe said:sweet...
I bet they have some mad food over there...I heard they eat birds 'whole', feathers and all, in their soup. I would be stocking up on pepto if I was going...
On the other hand, Dim Sum is hella-fattening.
They have good restaurants for lots of food from around Asia. Most of the ethnic restaurants are run by natives of the countries where the cuisines originated. The two main exceptions are Vietnamese restaurants (they suck) and Japanese restaurants (these are still usually quite good). Damn, I love sushi.
Hilariously, McDonalds is about the cheapest restaurant in Hong Kong. It is about $2.50 for a value meal. It's more popular than anywhere in the US. Lines are long and the counters work like clockwork. Probably about 15-20 people in line at any given moment at lunch time in most McDonalds there. I try to stay away!
Isn't that basically bird snot?
If it's what I think it is. I'm assuming they just take off the branches or woddy parts of the nest and get the 'glue' that puts it together then they boil it in some stew or something.
I actually saw this on TV once...
I think I'll start a thread on exotic food gotta love sushi!
That's really interesting about the mcdonalds phenom. I know that the Japanese are enamoured with our music. Specifically rock and roll. Maybe there is a connection here. Which, inversely, is interesting over here in the states because we like 'chinese' food so much, no matter how bad it is, and like other aspects of their culture.
If it's what I think it is. I'm assuming they just take off the branches or woddy parts of the nest and get the 'glue' that puts it together then they boil it in some stew or something.
I actually saw this on TV once...
I think I'll start a thread on exotic food
gotta love sushi!That's really interesting about the mcdonalds phenom. I know that the Japanese are enamoured with our music. Specifically rock and roll. Maybe there is a connection here. Which, inversely, is interesting over here in the states because we like 'chinese' food so much, no matter how bad it is, and like other aspects of their culture.
Don't mean to but in on your conversation, but the birds nests are actually in caves. Watched in on Ripley's believe it or not, the one where Jack Palance was on it. They use home made ladders "out of long poles and rope" and climb up and pry the bird nest off of the cave wall. Looked nasty.
Whiskey
Whiskey
Bukakele has spoken.
