aratest/primo...clomid?????

[polar707]

hey,

i already started my cycle of

aratest 2500 (500 mg/week) for 8 weeks
primo (300mg/week) weeks 7-13

I know how to do the clomid therapy, but I'm not really sure when I should start it. Does primo have any effect on your balls whatsoever? Should I start the clomid 3 weeks after my last shot of aratest, or should i start 3 weeks after my primo?? do i even need clomid after my primo shots?? thanks in advance.

 

[Anodyne]

Primo is a good steroid to use during a cutting cycle. It is a mild anabolic, not really giving any huge mass but facilitating slow and even quality mass gain. The selling point is that antiestrogens should not be required when using primo. Between the range of 100-200mg week it should not interfere with endogenous test levels either so there would not be any need for clomid. Above 200mg/week you would obviously need to consider clomid. In that case, since primo is a slow-acting anabolic (much like Deca) you should probably wait a couple of weeks before using the clomid.

 

[polar707]

so do you recommend i just wait out the entire cycle before i start the clomid or should i take the clomid during the primo shots?? i just want to try to keep the most out of my gains.

 

[Anodyne]

I personally would have stacked the aratest with the primo for a total of 8 weeks. There's no point doing a 13 week cycle. 8-10 week cycles are better. But then, you are using 500mg/week of the aratest in which case you could keep this at 8 weeks on its own as a bulking cycle. Use clomid at the end for two weeks. After this start primo at 200mg/week as a cutting phase. At 200mg/week you'd avoid having to use clomid and, as mentioned, there should be no need for antriestrogens. I've just finished a deca/sustanon eight week cycle. I'm taking HCG and clomid this week (as it has been three weeks since I stopped). Two weeks after I'm gonna start my primo at 200mg/week for 6 weeks.

 

[body72]

For me you have to start Clomid two weeks after your last Primo, i know that a lot of people say that Primo is not HPTA suppressive and that u can start Clomid 2/3 weeks after your last Test injection but i think (based also on my experience) that this is not completely true.
I prefere the safe approach and so i would wait 2 weeks after my last Primo so that all is out of my sistem and Clomid could works at his best.
If u feel that u need it u can also have 2 shoots of HCG one at week 14 and one at week 15 (2000 iu each) just to remember your balls what they are made for and to restore at his best the Leydig's cells response to LH.
If u use HCG remember that it works in u for 5 days so start Clomid 5 days after the last shoot.
That's my .02.
Bye
Body

 

[Anodyne]

I don't really understand what "Body72" is saying. If you mean that you would do the test first and then primo and after all that start clomid I would say you are mad. Primo is an anabolic and not an androgen. Once androgen provided by the aratest is gone there will be none left to maintan the muscle gains that were made and since the natural levels of androgen are down anyway the overall affect is that cortisol will takeover and breakdown muscle. The primo use will therefore also be rendered near useless, particularly as it is so mild. Polar is better off splitting his gear into a bulking cycle and a cutting cycle. Its best practice. You can use hcg, clomid, etc at the conclusion of the bulking cycle and then should not have to worry about doing it again. The cutting cycle is supposed to be simple. One long serial steroid cycle of 13+ weeks is a bad idea. I would suggest to always stack or split cycles in the way described.