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organon250

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I'm picking up a couple vials of this stuff it looks like 700mg/ml sustanon clone although I didn't look exactly at the esters but at 700mg's a ml looks like a winner. I know AOP is good but would like anyone who's used this stuff to let me know what they thought about injection site pain if any and also if they felt it met expectations performance wise.
 
700mg is going to be basically be free test. There was some posts done a couple years ago here on the board showing that high dose tests above the 600mg per ml mark were going to be needed to be injected pretty frequently, no matter what ester they were attached to.

Something about the mix consisting of the molecules, the various esters, the BA and not enough oil to substain it in the depot site before it flooded the body. Basically you end up shooting high dose prop.

I wish someone could find those studies. they were interesting as hell.
 
so my original plan was going to be 1.5cc's a week for a total weekly dose of 1050mg's based on your feedback AAP would I be good to go with three .5cc injections per week to acheive optimum results or should I go EOD with this stuff? I'm sure somebody's used this stuff before on the board if so please let me know what dosing schedule worked out best. thanks again for input. I've never used this high dose stuff before so I guess it will be an interesting experiment.
 
organon250 said:
I'm picking up a couple vials of this stuff it looks like 700mg/ml sustanon clone although I didn't look exactly at the esters but at 700mg's a ml looks like a winner. I know AOP is good but would like anyone who's used this stuff to let me know what they thought about injection site pain if any and also if they felt it met expectations performance wise.

I assume you are referring to KingOfTests 700 correct? The breakdown is 90 mg Testosterone Isocaproate + 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate + 110 mg Testosterone Enanthate + 175 mg Testosterone Decanoate + 225 mg Testosterone Undecanoate

This is an older version and can be painfull to some.

DarkSide
 
organon250 said:
so my original plan was going to be 1.5cc's a week for a total weekly dose of 1050mg's based on your feedback AAP would I be good to go with three .5cc injections per week to acheive optimum results or should I go EOD with this stuff? I'm sure somebody's used this stuff before on the board if so please let me know what dosing schedule worked out best. thanks again for input. I've never used this high dose stuff before so I guess it will be an interesting experiment.

There is no reason to go to more than three smaller injections, and honestly no reason to do more than two a week. A lot of what AAP has stated is based on older technology and different co-solvents then what AOP uses.

That being said, I can tell you that many people will inject KOT-700 on a Mon-Wed-Fri basis. Then again, most of this is based on experience and has nothing to do with the science. Try it a few different ways, and go with what works for you. Are you stacking it with anything? Going with a 3 day a week injection cycle (MWF) stacked with EQ would be superb.

THE EVOLUTION OF THE HIGHER DOSAGE GEAR

Contrary to the popular belief and the majority opinion surrounding the idea that only a certain mg dosage of gear can be dissolved within a specific ml of carrier oil is, in fact, a fallacy. A fallacy due to the absence of products and support from our major steroid manufacturers which then in turn laid the path for foundationless opinions and theories stemming from this lack of presence. The reason for this absence can certainly be credited to the typical decision of most corporations to stay within the norm of their specific business community. In our case the steroid community, the veterinary community, and the chemical community are the entities that put forth the opinions from which they derive their guidelines from. Realistically, how many veterinarians’ do you think would request Nandrolone Decanoate at 400mg/ml? Not too many, I hope. Maybe if you wanted a 300lb Rottweiller. Hmmm….

Adding to this idea, where does it say how much gear can be placed in carrier oil? Where do these people construe such false ideas from? Just because no one was or is attempting these feats, does not mean that it cannot be done. Unfortunately, many people like to make up there own idea’s as to what can and cannot be done when there is no explanation within the majority opinion. Maybe for their own self-indulgence, maybe to sound like they know what they are talking about, I am unsure. However, I am here to tell you different.

It is very simple really. Placing 400mg of Nandrolone Decanoate into 1ml of carrier oil requires the same work as 200mg/ml. Gear with low melting points have a terrific chance of dissolving and staying dissolved within a specific oil BECAUSE of their melting points and the fact that they are oil based and not their dissolvability. Yes dissolvability has a tiny bit to do with it, but not as much as one might think. The gear we are talking about is OIL based which that means when it melts and is in liquid form, it is considered an oil. So, in most cases, anyway, an oil will dissolve in another oil. Let me ask you this, if you mixed soy bean oil and motor oil together, how much soy bean oil do you think would dissolve in the motor oil? Ha, it is a trick question and the answer is, as much as you want. Both, oil based gear and carrier oil, are both considered to have like similarities as far as their liquid consistency is concerned, which is oily. Just as gear crashes or solidifies out of the carrier oil, either the motor oil or the soy bean oil would crash out if the temperatures were brought low enough. Furthermore, let’s say you did get the temperature down low enough to freeze soy bean oil; the result would look very similar to crashed gear.

The problem then, occurs when a materials melting point is high; hence, the solidifying point is high. Or, simply, it will solidify at higher temperatures. Therefore, at your typical room temperature a specific gear with a higher solidifying point will crash easier than a lower solidifying gear. Specifically, the higher the mg dosage per ml of higher solidifying gear the better chance of crashing. Some examples of gear that fit this profile are: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate and Testosterone Propionate.

And just the opposite with such materials as nandrolone decanote, testosterone decanoate, testosterone enanthate, who’s solidifying point is very low. These materials therefore have a much better chance of staying in liquid form at room temperature. As a general rule of thumb, a high melting point, defines a high solidifying point.

So, you see, it is not so much about dissolvability as it is about solidifying points. However, dissolvability does come into play when higher dosages come into play. Again, depending on the material, higher dosage could mean 100mg for Testosterone Propionate, however, may mean 400mg for Nandrolone Decanoate. The higher the dosage or the more active material you use, the less amount of carrier oil you have to use. Therefore, the less amount of material in its solid form will stay dissolved. Yes, the material may be oil-based; however, with no oil to insulate it from the cooling temperature, it will crash at VERY high dosages

DarkSide
 
dark side said:
A lot of what AAP has stated is based on older technology and different co-solvents then what AOP uses.

Quite possibly true. It has been like 2-3 years since everyone here was debating that. Ulter, 2thick, and a few of the other vets had some great posts about it then.
 
AAP said:
Quite possibly true. It has been like 2-3 years since everyone here was debating that. Ulter, 2thick, and a few of the other vets had some great posts about it then.
Agreed and those are knowledgeable moderators and previous moderators. Thankfully science has allowed pharmaceutical companies to move onward and upward. Your a good man AAP. Also, as I stated earlier, I actually think MWF inject for this member may be the best, if anything for any possibility of pain.

DarkSide
 
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