Anyone up for a challenge???

[The Shadow]

I have really noticed the lack of motivation in my gym and its the FREAKING new year.

WTF?!?!?


I see these folks on the treadmill at 3 mph and zero to a 5 degree incline - walking for a LONG LONG TIME.

Who gives a frick if you walked 3 miles??



Here's the challenge:


You guys know about how far you walk/jog on the treadmill.

You guys also know how many cals that burns.

NEXT WORKOUT:


Cut the distance in 1/2.


YES....



Cut it in 1/2.



The challenge is to see how many cals you can burn before you reach that distance.

Make sense??

I hit over 550 in ONE MILE by getting off my ass - ramping the treadmill to 25 degrees and reallyhitting it as hard as I could for one mile.


Do it and you will be pleasantly suprised at how much you can get done in half the time(distance wise).


I want folks to post up actual before and after numbers.


I am betting that you guys can get 75% as many cals burned in half the distance.



HIIT folks - this doesnt apply to you....just the steady state marathoners.

 

[the-short-one]

i figured you weren't including me.


hey. I have a question regarding the "calories burned" indicator on the machines. How accurate are they, really? I've been on only 1 that asks me my age - all of them ask me my weight. What they don't take into account in muscle mass, and I'm assuming the amount of muscle mass you have influences how many calories you burn during exercise, right?

 

[Ulter]

Just a word to the wise. This is a classic way to develop Achilles tendonitis. You might want to do this slowly over a few weeks. 1/3 of all runners develop Achilles tendonitis at some point and attacking an incline you’re not used to is the best way to incur this injury.

 

[the-short-one]

Just a word to the wise. This is a classic way to develop Achilles tendonitis. You might want to do this slowly over a few weeks. 1/3 of all runners develop Achilles tendonitis at some point and attacking an incline you’re not used to is the best way to incur this injury.

I have this problem - achilles tendonitis. I have to wrap both my ankles and my calves when I run or do any pounding movement. (jumping rope, for example)

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I have a question regarding the "calories burned" indicator on the machines. How accurate are they, really? I've been on only 1 that asks me my age - all of them ask me my weight. What they don't take into account in muscle mass, and I'm assuming the amount of muscle mass you have influences how many calories you burn during exercise, right?

Asking the weight is better than not. If it does not ask the weight, usually is is assuming a 150lb male (I think, I read that somewhere......).

Obviously, the amount of muscle GREATLY impacts the calories burned - at work and at rest. If I weigh 130lbs and 25% BF and you weigh 130lbs and 12% BF - our metabolisms are VERY different. Therefore - our calories burned will be different. REGARDLESS of what the machine says.

Take the calories burned with a grain of salt. I use the calories burned as ONE of the datapoints to help me judge the difficulty of my cardio workout. Not as a number alone - like "wow, I burned 500 calories, I can go eat that bag of cookies" or "wow, I ate a cupcake, now I have to go burn 300 calories on the treadmill". That kind of thinking is a disaster.

 

[Sassy69]

LOL another challenge w/ putting the angle up is holding on to the bars so you don't fall off. I typically set the angle at 2.5 when I run / jog and will go up to 12+ for walking.

 

[The Shadow]

increasing the speed of the walking and bumping the incline from zero to 3-5% incline is no more dangerous than walking a very very slight hill....and less actual wear and tear as most treads have a flex platform these days.

but yes..running at 8mph/25 degress should be worked into......and NO HOLDING THE FRAMEWORK SASSY


LOL



here is always the elliptical............

 

[Sassy69]

increasing the speed of the walking and bumping the incline from zero to 3-5% incline is no more dangerous than walking a very very slight hill....and less actual wear and tear as most treads have a flex platform these days.

but yes..running at 8mph/25 degress should be worked into......and NO HOLDING THE FRAMEWORK SASSY


LOL



here is always the elliptical............

lol --- no I mastered that lat year w/ all the fucking cardio I did for contest prep....

 

[The Shadow]

LOL


btw - bodyfat %age will NOT matter when it comes to buring cals via being in motion

 

[T-Cake]

increasing the speed of the walking and bumping the incline from zero to 3-5% incline is no more dangerous than walking a very very slight hill....and less actual wear and tear as most treads have a flex platform these days.

but yes..running at 8mph/25 degress should be worked into......and NO HOLDING THE FRAMEWORK SASSY


LOL



here is always the elliptical............

*shudders* I hate the elliptical --

I did that workout -- 1/2 the time, go faster, increase the resistance to ridiculous numbers like 18, 19 -- last year. I'd been using that machine forEVER for an hour a day.

It was okay the first day... the second day I did that workout I blew out my knees.

I ended up walking outside for an hour until July instead because I couldn't do anything else.

Sorry, I can't say the elliptical is better for this either! I thought my legs were really strong and THEY were... but the tendons in my knees weren't and that's what blew them. I'm just happy to be ABLE to run now -- I tried walking on a super-incline the other day at the gym for 15 minutes and my knees were "talkin'" to me the rest of the day. Just can't say I think it's worth it to jump in to it.

Though I'm with you on the 3 mph people Just doesn't make sense to me.

MY challenge at the gym lately is the compliment anyone I see 1) who has a great muscle definition and is workin' at it (e.g. "Hey, your quads are AWESOME! You must work hard!) and 2) who is working really hard at cardio and you know they're a newbie.

I did that 4 times in the last 2 weeks... and then karma came back around and someone complimented ME a few days ago. That's an easier challenge and I think we should aim to keep those newbies around. 3 mph could turn to 4...

Sorry for jackin' your thread.

 

[the-short-one]

LOL


btw - bodyfat %age will NOT matter when it comes to buring cals via being in motion

what about amount of muscle mass?

 

[The Shadow]

nope.....remember - you are moving you TOTAL bodyweight through space.....

the pounds of lbm PLUS the pounds of fat = actual weight in motion.


So - the lean mass is PART of the equation....but so is the fat.

Make sense?


the lbm BURNS cals at rest.

fat adds to the "resistance" during cardio........10 pounds of fat = ten pounds of lean body mass = ten pounds in a backpack = all 10 pounds

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I understand the whole "moving through space" thing - but muscle is more metabolically active - so someone with more muscle will burn more calories than someone with less muscle. Right?

So if two people are doing cardio and are at the exact same weight (but different BF%) a basic cardio machine will say the EXACT same number of calories burned in both people ...... but in reality, the number is different due to different metabolisms.

 

[The Shadow]

I understand the whole "moving through space" thing - but muscle is more metabolically active - so someone with more muscle will burn more calories than someone with less muscle. Right?

So if two people are doing cardio and are at the exact same weight (but different BF%) a basic cardio machine will say the EXACT same number of calories burned in both people ...... but in reality, the number is different due to different metabolisms.

Not really.

The metabolically active angle only applies at rest.....while fat isnt "active" - it is active resistance when the body is carrying it around all day.

Think of it like this:

Two people can have the same LBM..lets say lbm = 150 pounds.


One weighs 175

One weighs 200



the lbm is the same - but the active weight being hauled around during the cardio is 175 and 200 pounds.


They will actively burn different cals/minute when active.


It's also why all listing for # of cals burned are usually based on a WEIGHT of 150 pounds and one is to adjust accrdingly to bodyWEIGHT not LBM.

 

[The Shadow]

.......another thing to think about.

Two people....same age...weight and bodyfat.

one adds a backpack of 15 pounds during cardio.......


who burns more cals??

 

[the-short-one]

.......another thing to think about.

Two people....same age...weight and bodyfat.

one adds a backpack of 15 pounds during cardio.......


who burns more cals??

ahhh. this helped me understand better.

so - 2 people (weighing the same), one w/high BF and one with high muscle mass will burn the same during cardio, but the person with more muscle mass will burn more calories after - and while at rest.

 

[The Shadow]

ahhh. this helped me understand better.

so - 2 people (weighing the same), one w/high BF and one with high muscle mass will burn the same during cardio, but the person with more muscle mass will burn more calories after - and while at rest.

the short answer:

YES

 

[Daisy_Girl]

so - 2 people (weighing the same), one w/high BF and one with high muscle mass will burn the same during cardio, but the person with more muscle mass will burn more calories after - and while at rest.

This is what I was assuming when I posted originally. I always think of a caloric burn while working out as a 24 hour a day thing ...... Since looking at the number on the machine as the "end number" is not reliable. Which is why I also posted the 2 people were at the same weight, but diff BF% (and ultimately, of course, diff LBM numbers).


But you bring up an interesting thing - if there are 2 people with identical LBM #s but different *overall* weight ... the person who is "heavier" will burn more calories. Makes sense.

 

[The Shadow]

Since looking at the number on the machine as the "end number" is not reliable.

why isnt it??


It uses the bodyweight as the main variable.....everything is calculated from that.......it uses the weight and THEN factors in speed and incline.

 

[The Shadow]

Beuller??


No one??


Damn....I thought someone would want to prove me wrong on this one

 

[que_66]

Not really.

The metabolically active angle only applies at rest.....while fat isnt "active" - it is active resistance when the body is carrying it around all day.

Think of it like this:

Two people can have the same LBM..lets say lbm = 150 pounds.


One weighs 175

One weighs 200



the lbm is the same - but the active weight being hauled around during the cardio is 175 and 200 pounds.


They will actively burn different cals/minute when active.


It's also why all listing for # of cals burned are usually based on a WEIGHT of 150 pounds and one is to adjust accrdingly to bodyWEIGHT not LBM.

Once again the light bulb went off, clouds parted, angels sang and all the world was happy. Thank you for the explanation Shadow.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

why isnt it??

It uses the bodyweight as the main variable.....everything is calculated from that.......it uses the weight and THEN factors in speed and incline.

Because it does not factor in a person's muscle, age, fitness level, medical issues, genetics, etc.



I could very well be wrong in assuming this all matters .... but I STILL think it makes an impact. *shrug*

 

[Sassy69]

SIZE MATTERS!





(lol)

 

[florencia]

Beuller??


No one??


Damn....I thought someone would want to prove me wrong on this one

Now WHY on earth would anyone want to prove you wrong???
Master?
LOL

 

[The Shadow]

Because it does not factor in a person's muscle, age, fitness level, medical issues, genetics, etc.



I could very well be wrong in assuming this all matters .... but I STILL think it makes an impact. *shrug*

Like Sassy says size matters.


Nothine else but the gravitational pull on the body matters when it comes to moving through space.

Do we agree that identical twins with the same *everything*, height, weight, bodyfat will NOT burn the same number of calories if one has a 20 pound backpack of rocks on his back??

^^That would satisify all your concerns above - the only difference between the two folks is the backpack.

The ONLY think that would make a non-significant difference would be the minute difference in VO2 uptake......and even that would be a non issue at certain intensity levels.

There is a process called excess post-exercise consumption(EPOC)....its when you continue to burn calories AFTER the fact(why I recommend a period after HIIT cardio before food) - imo - THIS WILL BE AFFECTED by several things.,.....namely bodyfat.....so in a way the LBM would be a factor in the post cardio burn...after all - the body is a radiator - and we know that an insulated radiator gives off less heat


You ARE right, in that all the things you mentioned GREATLY impact how much fat you burn during the day, while you sleep, when you are teaching etc.

Calories burned during exercise are a function of bodyweight(not lbm), because the fat, (while not METABOLICALLY ACTIVE) acts as RESISTANCE to the exercise.

Think of it in terms of weights.

You lift a weight, say 150 pounds for 8 reps.

You lift a weight, 200 pounds for the 8 reps.

Who accomplished more work??

Who lifted more resistance?

Who burned more calories?


......the same person is doing the exercise, so that negates all other factors.


Cardio can be looked upon as an analgous situation......with the extra 50 pounds coming from fat.


Gender, age etc - for 99.9% of us - will not impact calories burned imo.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Cardio can be looked upon as an analgous situation......with the extra 50 pounds coming from fat.


Gender, age etc - for 99.9% of us - will not impact calories burned imo.

That is your word of the day.

Makes sense to me - I do see both sides, but they both also make total sense to me. Interesting discussion and interesting to think about it.

 

[The Shadow]

That is your word of the day.

Makes sense to me - I do see both sides, but they both also make total sense to me. Interesting discussion and interesting to think about it.

I know


it was on my "word of the day" thing on my desk


LOL

 

[Daisy_Girl]

OOOOOHHHH, smart guy huh? Making me all hot

 

[the-short-one]

Like Sassy says size matters.


Nothine else but the gravitational pull on the body matters when it comes to moving through space.

Do we agree that identical twins with the same *everything*, height, weight, bodyfat will NOT burn the same number of calories if one has a 20 pound backpack of rocks on his back??

^^That would satisify all your concerns above - the only difference between the two folks is the backpack.

The ONLY think that would make a non-significant difference would be the minute difference in VO2 uptake......and even that would be a non issue at certain intensity levels.

There is a process called excess post-exercise consumption(EPOC)....its when you continue to burn calories AFTER the fact(why I recommend a period after HIIT cardio before food) - imo - THIS WILL BE AFFECTED by several things.,.....namely bodyfat.....so in a way the LBM would be a factor in the post cardio burn...after all - the body is a radiator - and we know that an insulated radiator gives off less heat


You ARE right, in that all the things you mentioned GREATLY impact how much fat you burn during the day, while you sleep, when you are teaching etc.

Calories burned during exercise are a function of bodyweight(not lbm), because the fat, (while not METABOLICALLY ACTIVE) acts as RESISTANCE to the exercise.

Think of it in terms of weights.

You lift a weight, say 150 pounds for 8 reps.

You lift a weight, 200 pounds for the 8 reps.

Who accomplished more work??

Who lifted more resistance?

Who burned more calories?


......the same person is doing the exercise, so that negates all other factors.


Cardio can be looked upon as an analgous situation......with the extra 50 pounds coming from fat.


Gender, age etc - for 99.9% of us - will not impact calories burned imo.

where tf do you learn all this shit from?? lolol

sometimes, you make my head hurt. (I mean that in a good way, btw. ) you challenge my brain.

 

[Sassy69]

I know


it was on my "word of the day" thing on my desk


LOL

Did you mean "analogous"?