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Anyone know about Credit Card Fraud?

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Someone I know recently paid (figuratively speaking, of course, this person will not be held responsible for the charges) for someone I don't know's Disney World vacation and eye doctor appointment. My question is, to those who know about CC fraud: How the hell?

The card was never lost, misplaced, or in someone else's possession aside from the standard merchant scanning business. Assuming that the card number and expiration date were acquired somehow, I still don't see how fraudulent charges could have been made - even online.

Think about it: Online, if the billing address doesn't match the shipping address, delays, presumably for identity verification, will occur. In store? Impossible to make a charge without the actual card. Let's even assume that the card was taken, used, and then returned to the cardholder without the cardholder's knowledge - almost all stores ask for ID now.

So, my only logical conclusion would have to be that the cardnumber and expiration date were acquired without the cardholder's knowledge (reasonable), and that the card itself was never actually taken (unlikely that it could be taken and returned at a later date without the cardholder's knowledge), and that some kind of duplicate of the card was made. But even if a duplicate were made, what about the 3 digit security code on the back of most credit cards? And the magnetic stripe? God knows what kind of data is on there. Could that be copied too? The card hologram?

It's puzzling.

Does anyone know how someone could have pulled this off? Really makes you feel confident about the store merchants who scan your credit cards every day, eh? Who knows if they would be able to tell the difference between you and some jackass using your card.

-Warik
 
its too generalized a question...could be the milk man for all anyone could tell, however my guess would either be A)it got picked up thru a non secure website by the wrong hands....aka someone who was smart enough to rip apart the web coding...anywho i wont go into that or B) a trusted employee of a bank or other financial institution, other possiblities not to rule out however are anyone who serviced her when she shopped using the card, as it is still easy enough to get the number, make a fake id and run the card dry....

if you would like more information feel free to PM me as i don't think it a good thing to go into the actual method of such things.
 
naturally anabolic,

My question wasn't really in regard to who it could have been, but rather how it could have happened in terms of the actual usage of the card and not the acquisition of the necessary information to use it. The process of using a credit card is simple to me: present the card, identify yourself, scan the card, sign, go home. How someone could have gotten past steps 2 and 3 with such ease is unknown to me.

The card issuer gave instructions on how to acquire a replacement card and they are investigating the situation, as I'm sure they will because the charges were in the 4-digit range. I don't think any card company is going to write that off as an "oh well."

If I had the authority I could probably find out myself based on the eye clinic charge. Can't check out your eyes or get glasses without a prescription - a prescription with your name on it.

I'll PM you though, as I'm still very interested in how this could have happened.

Thanks,
-Warik
 
I see a couple of scenarios:

1. The fraudulent person handled these transactions by phone. A travel agency is probably pretty easy. The eye doctor might be a little trickier, but I can envision how it might go down.
2. Or knew people who would hook them up, rendering steps 2 and 3 irrelevant (and even step 2 is not always practiced by merchants).
 
I know that when a credit card company calls you to get you to sign up for one...if you say.."Hey...does it matter that I have been in prison for credit card fraud before?"...they WILL hang up on you and NOT call back.

B True
 
gas would be the first thing I would think of if I had someone else's card. either the person knew the other person making the transaction, or they just got away with it scott free. a lot of retailers don't ask for a proof of ID. think about it next time you go out and use your check card/credit card. restaurants are also a target I would look at. or the place that the credit card wasleft at.

I am just speaking from previous experiences(note-previous... I was an asshole back then in my high school days.)

peace
 
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