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any supplements kill appetite????somethin thats very effective

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im not talking about cocaine but somethin just wont make u wanna eat. hopefully something legal
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
im not talking about cocaine but somethin just wont make u wanna eat. hopefully something legal

Any kind of cheap ECA stack kills my apetite. Xenadrine...you know the kind. I'm on an ECA right now and I have to force food down most of the time. I have to admit, I've never tried coke tho. For some reason I doubt anyone would recommend that here.

If you're not wanting to do anything with ephedra, you can try something like dexatrim natural, but those are pretty much worthless for me.
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
im not talking about cocaine but somethin just wont make u wanna eat. hopefully something legal

Any kind of cheap ECA stack kills my apetite. Xenadrine...you know the kind. I'm on an ECA right now and I have to force food down most of the time. I have to admit, I've never tried coke tho. For some reason I doubt anyone would recommend that here.

If you're not wanting to do anything with ephedra, you can try something like dexatrim natural, but those are pretty much worthless for me.
 
that eca stack works great. But eats away your muscles because you dont get enough sleep. I hope thier is a alternative. I have herd of citramax and citurus alculm hopefully their is a alternative out their less stimulating.
 
Norephedrine is an excellent appetite suppresant....

You can also try drinking A LOT of water when you feel hungry...sometimes that helps....
 
Try chewing a little sugar-free gum. It may help you psychologically. Diet soda, etc. Don't rely on it, though.
 
There are few here that truly understand what it means to be "ravenous" when it comes to appetite. When I read someone stating that ECA will "kill" their appetite, I wish I were that person. I can take ECA all day long and still at night I have carb-cravings that makes me want to dip the cat in chocolate and powdered sugar and eat it.

There is a subset of people who have a "night-craving" disorder, which is pre-dominated by a hunger for carbohydrates (theorized to be a serotonin disorder). These individuals will not be hungry in the early hours of the morning and day, but will eat the majority of their calories at night and also wake up several times to eat.

Appetite regulation is still a new field and as of yet there are no great compounds to truly control it.
 
phentermine didnt do jack shit for me
e c a stack didnt do jack shit for me
n y c didnt do jack shit for me
flax oil didnt do jack shit for me
water didnt do jack shit for me even at 2 gallons ed

next on my list of try's
ive got pondimin on the way
meridia
redux

if those dont work ill get chiropractic care for spinal nerves. if your fuzzy on this one then look at a few of KAKDIESELS threads, he's helping me at the moment considering a visit to a chiro
 
NYC is quite good for most people
EC works for some
SSRI's tend to be very effective.. but they are prescription and may have other side effects.. though many people involved in bodybuilding seem to be good candidates for its use.....
 
i can eat till my stomach litteraly feels like it explodes especially when i come off a strict diet. and then when an hour later ill eat again and be even more fuckin full and go to sleep on a bloated full stomach alot of times , my appetite is insane.
 
ECA and NYC only make you feel full longer. Their crave-stopping power is negligible, in my opinion. You COULD try 5-HTP near the evening when you are home and staring at those Pop Tarts or whatever. I don't suggest taking it during the day, though. 5-HTP might raise your serotonin levels, thereby filling the hole that craving normally fills.

In my opinion, you should try to deal with this through non-medicinal means. I assume you are in this for the long-term, and maybe this is an indication that you should tone down your depriving diet or get ready for a crash 'n binge.
 
nclifter6feet6, shit man, I decided to take a break from dieting, a few weeks off and I can eat just like you. It socks the body for muscle growth. If you like to eat like that I suggest the anabolic diet. You can weigh 195 on sunday night and end up weighing 180 on friday if you can follow low carbing.

Sounds like you better follow a diet but increase the calories 500 each week and eat lots of veggies, and oat,meal. I am sure you can do it with out any stimulants CHROMIUM AND CITRAMAX COMBO AND SOME VANDILL SULFATE. Citramax, this -exfat chick at the healthfood store recommended it to me.
 
I feel all of your pains.. i'm fine w/ my appetite (at least it's controllable) until night, then I get outrageously hungry.. it's almost unbearable to not binge and it makes me irritable.. sucks

kevin7
 
I have a very difficult time coming off a diet... but dont make the same mistake I did with eac. the minuate I went off of that I gained over 12 pounds in one week, I couldnt control my eating. can eat a jar of penut butter in one sitting and it sems after a certian point carbs/fat and even protien turn into fat no mater what. I think bulking is not a good idea for people who like to binge like me and you. I think just eating clean and and not doing much cardio is a better option I can gain 2 lbs a week by just not doing cardio and eating 6 meals a day 2000-3000 calories. I tried 5000 calories a day and that is to much. I feel sorry for people who have to eat that much to gain weight, sometimes I wish It took that much for me to gain weight so I can eat those sweets and feel my stomach and more penut butter and pizza and binge eat. eveyone here talks about losing weight on 2500 calories, shit I do fine on 1500-1800 calories and can lose 1-3 lbs a week on that and I really dont think you lose muscle inless if you eat atlest your your bodyweight in protien mabe even less. I dont even think you need any eac if you did cardio every day. I wish I had more control, I have always bounced back and fourth with my weight on a regular basis my whole life and its starting to piss me off because I can never get cut enough or big enough because after I diet down to like 180 I can gain it back gain in 2 weeks to a month the 30 lbs I lost and now its time to diet again. Its like a yo yo. I end of making most of my gains on 2 weeks off the diet than I maintain them intill I start getting leaner. If I did it proper by gaining it slow and losing it slow I could be alot bigger. This gives me a absolute headake I have been spending 2 years now trying to get it right working my ass off and I think I finally know what I need to do! problem is cheating and binging! ALso one more thing I have been on the eac stack atlest 20 times!!!! and I always repeate the same mistake.
 
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i hate to say it but this whole week i have gained atleast 4 percentages in bodyfat i cant control my cravings its startin to taper off. i think im gonna try dnp at a low does if i ever get a source, i think im going to do a low does cycle to assure myself no sides
 
you are my long lost twin necro, i fuck up the same way you do especially with the fatburners that really just set u up for a rebound. i was doing great with the animalbolic diet for a while then i decided to drop cals even further then i got really cut around 9 percent and after one week of binging i swear im up to about 13 percent :( abs are pretty much gone. it gets real depressing thats why i think im gonna do dnp, it seems there arent many side effects if u keep the does at 200 only getting real sweaty and shakey sometimes it doesnt give u acne i dont believe and alot of other shit other roids do, and this is strictly for fat i dont really mind not gaining any more muscle i feel i have enuf anyways. i have never used roids in my life. alot of girls say i have the perfect size but for me i am happy with my size just want to ripp it the FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!hopefully i can eat a normal maintance calorie diet and do dnp while on the diet and when i come off dnp i can still eat the same way and just maintain the muscle i have with ALOT LESS BODYFAT. then i wouldnt be yo yoing on and off fucking diets for 8 fuckin months out of the year!!!!!!and i wont get so pissed when i slack on a strict diet, i dont like the whole idea of having a low bodyfat constantly being on my mind i wish i could just be happy with some dnp and a low bodyfat and think about other things besides loosing fat that is more important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
you guys are my both my long lost brothers i binge every two two four days into my diet ive tried everysinfgle suppl out there and they just dont work, ive got ip pondimin on the way and it should help alot ill keep you guys posted on the hunger pangs, i havent tried meridia either maybe if the pondimin fails ill give meridia a shot, i had the most wicked appetite when i was on phenermine no joke i was housing shit left and right
 
i may be wrong bro but i think meridia fucks with mr happy..?..i dont believe dnp messes with you down there hopefully ill find some. i heard clen was ok clen increases metabolizm about 10 percent , eca increase metabolizm 5 percent, dnp increases about 30 percent i beleive
 
i honestly was looking like that guy vitor(the guy with the pics for the crum diet) with bigger arms then his. but damn i shure do look like shit compared to him now from JUST A FUCKING week from binging. if i ever get some dnp ill keep you guys posted on my results
 
nclifter6feet6 said:
i honestly was looking like that guy vitor(the guy with the pics for the crum diet) with bigger arms then his. but damn i shure do look like shit compared to him now from JUST A FUCKING week from binging. if i ever get some dnp ill keep you guys posted on my results
Let me give you some advice: accept your losses for the short-term. You might just make it a goal to maintain your weight right now, as difficult as that sounds. I have done similar things, binging for a week after a diet. Really, you probably have not gained as much fat as it looks like. Additionally, immediately after a hard diet, your body has is still in an anticatabolic state. Anabolism minus catabolism equals muscular gain, so a good portion of weight gained WILL be lean mass. Loss of lean mass during a diet is not just muscle amino acids, and your body is replenishing itself. You are probably also retaining a lot of water. Dude, just maintain until you get some dnp or whatever! I'm just trying to help you maintain the awesome results you probably STILL have!
 
DNP is the same thing. I can lose almost as much fat on dnp as I can a low carb diet ultra low calories. The problem with DNP is it really messes up you thyorid. I have done atlest 6 week cycles on dnp and I had to take thyroid just to get my metabolism working again next thing you know it eats away all your hard erned muscle if you dont take steroids with the thyroid, then when you come off the thyroid your thyroid is out of wack and you gain weight again, its just harder and harder coming off the drugs than even diet. What are you going to do take dnp again and again when you need to just to stay lean?

Before you try DNP I suggest you go see a doctor about some medicine to help you or try to force rations on your self and a planed diet. DNP is not something to depend on. You can stay low bodyfat if you eat correctly for your bodytype or within 2-4 weeks of getting there leanned out.

Its all self control that is what It comes down to and modertering your results. and keeping on tracking and watching how much you eat. thats what we got to do if you want to maintain 8% bodyfat year round with a big appitite. Its hell of work but I think its alot better than depending on dnp, thyroid. If you are going to try anything before dnp try to learn self control. I have definatally learned my lesson with DNP and Thyroid, I will never touch the stuff again (eac) yes and probally- DNP HELL NO thyroid inless I really need it to where I am fucken obiese on a ristricted diet(1200 calories or less) its because of my thyroid. Maybe you might have to stick with a CKD diet with the exact recommended caculations to maintian 8% year round, but if you follow a strict eating plan eating only the number of calories you need in a day o you should beable to maintain a six pack without a problem if you eat for your bodytype. Dont use drugs as a option for dieting when you can use it for food. My opion but do what you must do. I reall think that each DNP will take time off your lifespand. But hey if its worth it to you try the DNP Thyroid combo just to get hard and lean. This shit does piss me off too!.
 
what if im eating tons of fruit while on dnp??????/

thanks for replying that was quite motivating. i dont think im ever going to drastic diet like i did before (200 gram protien 35 fats 60 carbs) i think that was a lil too drastic even though i was gettin awesome fatloss. im gonna give this new diet a shot (200gram protien 120 grams of carbs and 70 grams of fat) im going to start doing sprints everyother day along with my normal training regimen. if i ever get the hook up on dnp i will just do low does and eat nothing but fruits too keep my thyroid high.
 
the only thing good about this week from binging was that my sex drive is OUT OF CONTROL. i dont wanna be nasty or sickin you guys but normally when im DIETING ill only want sex once a day but when i have bingin i can get off 4-6 times a day everyday this week. besides that i feel like a fat ass i was lookin so good just a fukin week ago hopefully i can diet tommorrow. i was thinking of doing something like a sandwhich diet
ill probably figure out the exact amounts later ill probably just use one peace of bread or something like sourdough i want to get about 100-130 grams of carbs 50-70 grams of fats 200 grams of protien, i may go a lil higher on the carbs i may add a lil dextrose 30g post workout on top of my sandwich
using hamburger buns

wake 7:30 am

1 tuna sandwich9:30 am

1 chicken sandwich11:30am

1 hamburger sandwich1:00 pm

1 fish steak sandwich3:00 pm

1 chicken sandwich5:00pm

workout 6:00pm
1 hamburger sandwich8:00pm post workout

1 fish steak sandwich10:00pm
 
If you ever do dnp be careful with that stuff, as you might have a bad reaction with it. I did it and I had a rash all over my body and it makes you depressed, reasearch the net.

The thing about it is before you do DNP you can always try a nutritionist, or for free sign up for a maxmuscle 12 month contest for free(except for buying 3 different supplements) that way you can see the results for yourself. You work with a guy and they figure out a diet for your body type, you can work with a personal trainer ext read more books and calculate it yourself. get on a good body building diet.


Some people have a natural gift for staying lean they eather dont get hungry much or they have a fast metabolism, or not enough money on food or they measure everything out and get in habbits of eating the same thing all the time and try to stick with it year in and year out what gives them the best gains and fatloss all in one.

I know I have the same problem to with binging(on protien and carbs), and I to feel that victor guy, his genetics are made differently and who knows maybe he measures everything out perfect so he eats no more than a certian number of calories per meal and is use to controling what he eats when he binges.

I have talked with people that are huge and stay lean year round and for some could just be added in cardio every day or cuting carbs after 4pm. But eating the same foods year in year out. And they only drop carbs all out the last 2 weeks durring copentition but have been working out for 12 years.

others diet drasticly and bulk up for atlest 8 weeks not caring how fat they get then get just as long as they are not to fater than 20% then even go on a 90 workout rutine.

Most natural guys that are fucken huge get fat for a year then cut down and maintain for a year than get fat for a year.

I have seen some pics of arnold preaty husky, defintally over 17% bodyfat.

It just takes time dont beatyourself up. Just say healthy and dont get obease be happy and take it easy one step at a time. You have all the time why not try different things out for atlest a year before you even touch dnp, because drugs are addicting you all.
If you cant manage your diet now, how will you beable to manage it when you come off of dnp.
have it all within you to be like that if you just try and try again.
 
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You want to start dieting again tomorrow and it is a sandwich diet???

You said maybe with sourdough or hamburger buns as well. Man, those are probably the worst breads for a diet. If I am wrong someone please correct me. I would personally go with Wheat bread or some other dark bread, but not anything white. One slice of white bread has 18g of carbs I think. Assuming you are only using one slice 6 times a day that equals 128. Sourdough is less, but 6 medium sloces wtill comes out to about 80grams.

I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but that doesn't sound right to me.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong. i woudl love to incorporate some sourdough into my diet.
 
here's my update bro's

i binge really bad after 7 pm im going nuts in the head here i think im overly obsessed with dieting, i come down really hard on my self after a fuck up and that has been every single night this week. i dunno wtf to do with myself if i dont eat .i bought a couple cases of BALANCE BARS on bulk the other day and they are almost gone:( my next day off i will have to see a dietician or a shrink cause im loosing my mind, its like i always trick myself into saying i will eat clean tomorrow but when today is here i go all out i start with 3-4 balance bars then move on to milk then half a jar of peanut butter then so on, are there any more options i can take before going to see a doc?
 
an odd thing happend to me today.

here i am getting alll excited about gettin dnp. hearing the good sides the bad sides of dnp.

last night was the last day of my binging(friday night) i was eating pudding left and right and cereal and cookies and all kinds of bad shit i went to sleep on VERY FULL stomach. i was tossing and turning all night long i couldnt sleep for shit. i went to sleep at 2pm waking up everyhour in the bed felt like shiiiiiit i was hot had a bad fever my stomach was feeling so sickining. i started puking like crazy around 7am went back to bed tossing and turning puked again about 12 i layed in bed all day then i layed in the recliner all day didnt eat anything what so ever till about 5:30 had just a small protien shake. i feel alot better now its 6pm the fever i had is leaving me, i think my body needed a good fast and it helped my stomach go back down to normal size. it made me rethink about dnp and how it could fuck me up bad. and how i easly got sick off food i think maybe my body was just trying to say get your ass in order. i feel alot better now im not gonna do so much of a drastic diet i will probably be using pumpernickel bread and or wheat. im gonna head back to the gym tommorrow and get my ass in gear at the gym, by the way sinse i have been binging of bad food this whole week i didnt train at the gym ANY. i have been training for about 5 years i believe and have NEVER missed more than 3 or 4 days in a row at the gym NEVER. it kinda made me rethink taking a shortcut and getting on dnp. i think im gonna stay natural like ive always been. i think adding the sprints(something ive never done consistently) will work well. just thought id share my thoughts i think i can do this without roids.
 
nclifter, hang in there bro. You're doing the safest thing re: DNP. Just let your body get back into gear before messing with anything, at this point in time. Maybe a week or two or solid maintenance eating would be beneficial. It seems your body needs to recover from the binging, in addition to your mind getting focused on a structured eating plan (which shouldn't be too hard on a maitenance diet). My suggestion - plan a solid maitenance diet for the next two weeks. Stick to it without fail. Likewise, make sure you're exercising as planned. This should get you back into the groove nicely, allowing you to start cutting again. From personal experience, I know the switch from cutting to binging to cutting isn't entirely pleasant...
 
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