Another First Cycle

[buzzbait]

First a little about me. I am 34 years old. Stats 5'11 208 around 7% bodyfat. My lifts are bench 405 (kinda ugly but it goes up) squat 550ish GOOD SQUAT...I have a 32 1/2 inch waist, and my arms are roughly around 17 1/2 inches...Guys I have lifted and dieted what seems like my WHOLE life....The only supplement I have taken are prohormones..(damn no sex drive)...BUT I am about to cross over to the dark side...I HAVE TO SEE WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF ACHIEVING, off a few cycles a years...I am Extremley new to AS so I am going to take in some knowledge before I make that leap...I do however from what I am reading thinking about taking Test prop as my first cycle...I have read a little about PCT but as for the actual cycle I would love to keep it kinda simple and get as much possible gains as possible. Guys my diet is EXTREMLEY clean with consuming roughly 300 grams of protein a day. (been doing that for years)
SOOOOO I guess what I am asking is...If yall had to do it all over again...What would be a first cycle...I am not a scientist, so PLEASE keep it kinda basic...

 

[HAYEZ]

if your already at them stats there really no reason to juice...your only going to ruin yourself

 

[buzzbait]

if your already at them stats there really no reason to juice...your only going to ruin yourself

Come on Really? I have been lifting for years and these are my numbers...I pretty much can't get stronger and don't see myself getting any bigger...I do realize that the actual weight you add during the cycle is not the wight you keep, HOWEVER is it not possible to gain 5-10 QUALITY pounds a year? Nothing realy crazy just 300-400 mgs test prop a week for 12 weeks?

 

[sweed]

if your already at them stats there really no reason to juice...your only going to ruin yourself

HAYEZ just wants to be the best bod on EF, lol hes jealous! lol

Sounds good brotha. Test enanthate would be a better chioce imo. longer ester and you have to only inject it twice a week instead of every other day like prop.
400-500 mgs everyweek for 10-12 weeks, then pct starting week 13-17. check out the pct supps.

 

[buzzbait]

HAYEZ just wants to be the best bod on EF, lol hes jealous! lol

Sounds good brotha. Test enanthate would be a better chioce imo. longer ester and you have to only inject it twice a week instead of every other day like prop.
400-500 mgs everyweek for 10-12 weeks, then pct starting week 13-17. check out the pct supps.

I have got my hands on some prop right now and really dont mind the needles. For a first cycle do yall think running just straight test prop for 12 weeks would be sufficient? As you can see I have a gooood foundation and my diet has always been there...

 

[sweed]

I have got my hands on some prop right now and really dont mind the needles. For a first cycle do yall think running just straight test prop for 12 weeks would be sufficient? As you can see I have a gooood foundation and my diet has always been there...

sounds like you have a great foundation!
12 weeks is too long for prop. its a short ester, which means it will be active in your system a lot faster than a longer ester like enanthate.
8 weeks should be maximum with prop for a first cycle.
100mgs-150mgs eod (every other day) will be a solid first cycle. no need for anything else.

 

[joe d]

prop is better. 150mg eod for 8-10 weaks. pct start the day after your last inject
keep adex on hand in case of any estro sides. if you want to stay lean run .5mg eod the whole cycle and maybe a weak into pct

day 1-21 40mg nolvadex ed
day 21-30 20mg nolvadex ed
day 1-30 trs from promordialperformance.com

 

[joe d]

12 weaks of test is 12 weaks of test. prop is in faster and out faster. e is slower to start and slower to leave. no difference there at all in the amount of time the test is working.

 

[HAYEZ]

HAYEZ just wants to be the best bod on EF, lol hes jealous! lol

Sounds good brotha. Test enanthate would be a better chioce imo. longer ester and you have to only inject it twice a week instead of every other day like prop.
400-500 mgs everyweek for 10-12 weeks, then pct starting week 13-17. check out the pct supps.

man i been out for a while with a strained hip and infection and strep throat...im a fat slob


origianl poster i was just saying them are very good stats congrats

 

[buzzbait]

prop is better. 150mg eod for 8-10 weaks. pct start the day after your last inject
keep adex on hand in case of any estro sides. if you want to stay lean run .5mg eod the whole cycle and maybe a weak into pct

day 1-21 40mg nolvadex ed
day 21-30 20mg nolvadex ed
day 1-30 trs from promordialperformance.com

OK so after day 30 just run .5mg of nolv and not clomid? Is that preference of just better?

 

[joe d]

OK so after day 30 just run .5mg of nolv and not clomid? Is that preference of just better?

the .5 is for the adex. run the adex during the cycle if you chose and 1 weak into pct. run the pct as posted.

nolva is better than clomid. if you want to use clomid instead us it at 50mg ed for the whole 30 days with the trs and drop the nolva all together.

 

[buzzbait]

Do I really want to run 150mg EOD of Prop on a first cycle. That would give me 600 mgs some weeks but only 400mgs other weeks..Decided to run it for only 10 weeks instead of 12.
Heres what my first cycle will look like. Kinda Simple
100-150mg test prop EOD 10 weeks
.5 mg adex EOD 10 weeks & 1 week after last shot
PCT 40mg nolvadex 1-21 ED
PCT 20mg nolvadex 22-30
PCT 1-30 TRS

Any tweaking or is this a pretty good first cycle?

 

[buzzbait]

Do I really want to run 150mg EOD of Prop on a first cycle. That would give me 600 mgs some weeks but only 400mgs other weeks..Decided to run it for only 10 weeks instead of 12.
Heres what my first cycle will look like. Kinda Simple
100-150mg test prop EOD 10 weeks
.5 mg adex EOD 10 weeks & 1 week after last shot
PCT 40mg nolvadex 1-21 ED
PCT 20mg nolvadex 22-30
PCT 1-30 TRS

Any tweaking or is this a pretty good first cycle?

BTW- I know each individual is different, but what kind of weight gain can I expect with this cycle? I bench 405 weighing 205-208 can I maybe be hitting 450 while staying lean?

 

[-SD-]

BTW- I know each individual is different, but what kind of weight gain can I expect with this cycle? I bench 405 weighing 205-208 can I maybe be hitting 450 while staying lean?

no one has a crystal ball to predict what you personally will do on any given cycle.

 

[buzzbait]

no one has a crystal ball to predict what you personally will do on any given cycle.

Wow did you come up with that yourself? Just trying to get some info bro...

 

[-SD-]

Wow did you come up with that yourself? Just trying to get some info bro...

Not trying to be a dick but think dude, you could gain anything or nothing. Theres just way too many variables in each persons life for someone on the internet to to able to answer a question like that. As for your bench I would say thats a good chance. But once again, some guys strength goes up and no weight gain, some are the opposite. too many variables.

 

[buzzbait]

Do I really want to run 150mg EOD of Prop on a first cycle. That would give me 600 mgs some weeks but only 400mgs other weeks..Decided to run it for only 10 weeks instead of 12.
Heres what my first cycle will look like. Kinda Simple
100-150mg test prop EOD 10 weeks
.5 mg adex EOD 10 weeks & 1 week after last shot
PCT 40mg nolvadex 1-21 ED
PCT 20mg nolvadex 22-30
PCT 1-30 TRS

Any tweaking or is this a pretty good first cycle?

Bump

 

[HAYEZ]

Bump

the prop eod is honestly overkill for a first cycle

id just do test 500mg ew for 10 weeks.. throw in some var for 1-8 weeks at 50mg ed

clean diet and good routine you will make excellent gains...you already have great stats and are passed most people that have juiced for years...

you may be a gentic freak and make crazy gains off this cycle...or you may be at your peak and the gains will be minimal because you dont have much more to go..

anyways good luck

if you keep the adex in there id start at .25 eod if you even need it..most people dont for prop but its good to have on hand..

i like your pct nolva is a good base

grab some hcg if you see some

 

[joe d]

Do I really want to run 150mg EOD of Prop on a first cycle. That would give me 600 mgs some weeks but only 400mgs other weeks..Decided to run it for only 10 weeks instead of 12.
Heres what my first cycle will look like. Kinda Simple
100-150mg test prop EOD 10 weeks
.5 mg adex EOD 10 weeks & 1 week after last shot
PCT 40mg nolvadex 1-21 ED
PCT 20mg nolvadex 22-30
PCT 1-30 TRS

Any tweaking or is this a pretty good first cycle?

150 eod is good. its not 400 some weaks and 600 others. its 150 eod. its steady. i loved the short ester right from the get go. i dont see any reason to start with e for the reason of pinning eod. prop is less estro sides and more results earlier. its also quick to leave if you dont like it or for whatever reason need to stop. either way i personally wouldnt run adex from the start myself either. i would run it only if i needed it. but to insure staying lean it may be a good idea. extra fat storage is a side of high estro.

 

[niightz]

I like the cycle , but what joe said, you will have a steady amount injecting eod. /cheers and gl on your cycle, I'd expect some very nice gains with that cycle.

 

[buzzbait]

OK here it is First cycle
150mgs (actually 75 it's 200mgs perml) for 9 weeks (couldnt decide 8 or 10 so I am going with 9...
Running nolv 40 mgs pct for days 1-21
20mgs pct for days 22-30
TRS 1-30 (just got it in the mail...Man that was fast)

Simple but a clean first cycle? What do you think guys...Give it a go?

 

[ConanX]

I think you will make some tremendous gains. Just keep up the heavy lifting and maybe increase your calories a bit while keeping them clean. Please take before and after pictures to share because your base sounds great, I can only imagine the end result.

Goodluck. It should be a lot of fun for you.

 

[HAYEZ]

ur cycle is 150 mgs of test a week"?

 

[buzzbait]

ur cycle is 150 mgs of test a week"?

150 eod

 

[HAYEZ]

gotcha...

 

[buzzbait]

Well it's official. I took my first shot today. 150 mgs of prop. Might be in my mind, but damn I just feel jacked. Hey guys has anyone else heard of prop from British dragon coming in 200 mgs per ml? That's what I'm taking and I can't seem to find it on anyother site......

 

[buzzbait]

Day five of 150 mgs of prop eod. Yes I can feel something different. I have gained 4 lbs, not really noticed that much in strength, but did not realize the jack feeling u get after u pin.

My question is I'm running 150 prop eod and just got my hands on some deca. Think I should run it also? 400mgs ew? Thinking of running deca for 10 weeks and prop for 12? What do y'all think?u

 

[buzzbait]

Day five of 150 mgs of prop eod. Yes I can feel something different. I have gained 4 lbs, not really noticed that much in strength, but did not realize the jack feeling u get after u pin.

My question is I'm running 150 prop eod and just got my hands on some deca. Think I should run it also? 400mgs ew? Thinking of running deca for 10 weeks and prop for 12? What do y'all think?u

bump

 

[sweed]

first cycle, just stick with the prop.