Another DNP cycle question

[Hauge]

Sorry bros about the DNP question due to since summer is so close all thats been on the boards is DNP.

Well i was thinking of doing a 21 day 250mg ED cycle but now thinking of doing this.

Day 1-5 250mg
Day 6-12 500mg
Day 13-14 250mg

Stats are 225 lbs, 6,1 and about 14-15%. Just want to hit about 10% and i would be happy. What u guys think??

 

[The Almighty]

Have you used DNP before?

 

[Hauge]

no i havent

 

[Hauge]

that is why i am starting at such a low does and giving my body 5 days to she how it reacts to it.

 

[The Almighty]

In my opinion you might not want to run that long of a cycle your first time around the block.

This is what I did and had great results.

Day 1-2: 200mg
Day 3-7: 400mg

Thats it.

 

[Hauge]

hhhmmmmmmmm... interesting.

What did u lose??

Cause shit if i can only go on for like a week and lose about 10lbs that would be sweet!!

 

[Hbone]

Stick with what Almighty said or stay at 200mgs for 14 + days.
search dnp for eating guidelines it helps.

 

[Hauge]

i know the eating habits on DNP but there is so much controversy about high and low carb. I have read so much about people doing great at low carbs and read so much about people doig great on high carbs. I think i just might do medium carbs to see what goes on.

 

[Thinker82]

what supplements are you going to take?

 

[Hauge]

Magnesium (1500mg)
Vitamin C (3000mg )
Vitamin E (1200 IU )

 

[Hauge]

shit forgot to say multivitamins as well like always.

 

[MrQuestion]

Sorry bros about the DNP question due to since summer is so close all thats been on the boards is DNP.

Well i was thinking of doing a 21 day 250mg ED cycle but now thinking of doing this.

Day 1-5 250mg
Day 6-12 500mg
Day 13-14 250mg

Stats are 225 lbs, 6,1 and about 14-15%. Just want to hit about 10% and i would be happy. What u guys think??

Sounds good to me as far as the DNP cycle goes. You are doing still a pretty low amount of DNP (you weigh 225, convert to kg, divide that by DNP dose...and we are looking at around 2.5mg/kg...and I hate fucking math btw) on days 1-5 to test it. Check.

With a reduced caloric diet of 10-12 calories/lb of bw, on 250mg in 5 days..you should lose 2-3 lbs of bodyfat in that 5 day period, maybe even more depending on other things. Then you should lose another 4lbs (im being conservative here) during your 6-12 day phase. it would be great to throw some T3 to continue rate of fat burning high (fat loss is not as great when enters a hypothyroidal state, someone correct me if im wrong, honestly). Then we are looking at another lb or two for the final two days of 13-14 when we figure in the amount of DNP that has built up in your system.
Check

So 3+4+2 should equal 9lbs of pure fat burnt of in a two week period. Do you realize it takes many people a couple of months to do that? Or hardly ever for people that have shitty metabolisms?

Let's say you will lose 10lbs of fat during this whole cycle....let me get my calculator here.
At 225 at 14.5% bodyfat (225x.145= 32.625)
You have 32-33 lbs of body fat on you.
In order to reach 10% (which is obviously 22.5lbs of bodyfat )
You would have to lose....:RUM ROLL please::
10 lbs of fat!
Check

Im thinking that with carb cravings, hunger pangs, eating more on some days than others, etc....you will lose more like 8lbs of fat. But if you can set your focus and set your mind to getting there, then you will get there. Also, if you don't get this time, there is always a next cycle. Don't rush things by dropping calories way to low, adding more DNP, etc.

Best wishes on your goal.

And I assume you read SmokingHawk's post on DNP for Dummies (it was a smoking post, an Elite classic for sure.)

 

[MrQuestion]

By the way, my quest to hit 5% is coming along great and Im doing something similar to what you are doing. I am adding T3 at a certain point, but my goal of hitting 5% (and I started at 13.5%) is coming along great. Not only will I have abs, but I will keep or actually add muscle to my frame.

It's a long shot plan hitting 5% like that, but things are coming along great. I just need to be patient and focused.

There is one more thing I will give credit to for this success, and I mentioned it several times already, and it's another excellent fat burning drug. It starts with the letter b and that's all Ill say about it. Ill report results in a month (im not going to be 5% in a month of course, but I will report skinfold measurements, feelings, diet, training) on using DNP+br....Ive said plenty.

 

[648]

Here is a great post.

http://www.anabolicscience.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=53&highlight=dnp+recovery

648

 

[Hauge]

great reply MrQuestion. The math sounds great and if I can pull this off it will be definately great. Just the only thing I am confused about is the carbs. Low, high, or medium. There is so much debate and what I have read of people getting great results both ways.

 

[The Almighty]

hhhmmmmmmmm... interesting.

What did u lose??

Cause shit if i can only go on for like a week and lose about 10lbs that would be sweet!!

I lost about 6 pounds in 7 days, however I was keeping my cals moderately high considering I was just coming off a cycle. I would say I got great results...strength from the cycle stayed the same, only thing that went down was bodyfat.

 

[Hauge]

I lost about 6 pounds in 7 days, however I was keeping my cals moderately high considering I was just coming off a cycle. I would say I got great results...strength from the cycle stayed the same, only thing that went down was bodyfat.

Thats awesome. Sounds really good to me. I think I am going to have to try that. I am getting 40 tabs in and if I am not satisfied with the results I will just do another small cycle of it about 2 weeks later or so.

 

[The Almighty]

Thats awesome. Sounds really good to me. I think I am going to have to try that. I am getting 40 tabs in and if I am not satisfied with the results I will just do another small cycle of it about 2 weeks later or so.

Ya, thats probably the best thing to do.

Remember that the weight you lose from DNP you wont notice until 4-7 days after you stop...so if you havent lost 10 pounds by day 3 dont increase the dose to 600mg or something thinking that it will make a beneficial difference.

 

[Hauge]

I am never going to go over 500mg a day.
I value my health somewhat and the fact that the next step for me would be 750mg and thats nuts. I get tabs that come in 250mg so i dont want to be fucking aorund if ya know what i mean. Ya and I know about the see results after a week off and shit, I can see how some people can get out of hand with it because they dont see what they want to see right off the bat. But thx for all the advice man and your advice will always be welcome.

 

[MrQuestion]

Hauge forget about the 'amount of weight you can lose' and focus on your diet and supplementation (remembering to take your antioxidants, vites, etc). DNP is that profound of a fat burner where you don't have to worry 'how much weight am I losing' type stuff.

I can lose over a dozen lbs on one DNP cycle depending on what I do. I can maintain that weight for quite some time too and claim that its all bodyfat. Then I do a two day moderate refeed of eating plenty of carbohyrdates and I regain 75% of the weight back. Ill lose 12 lbs (just using this number as an example btw) from one DNP cycle, maintain that loss for over a month, do a 2 day refeed, and gain back 7lbs. Did I just gain 7lbs of bodyfat in merely two days?? YAH RIGHT.

This is why I take "skinfold caliper" measurements to insure what weight is being lost or gained. THere are cycles where I don't lose hardly any weight but at the end of a cycle with my caliper readings, it will show I lost significant bodyfat. What happenned? My body was simply holding on to water.

I used to make the mistake of using Tanita to measure bodyfat long ago (although I did measure with skinfolds from time to time) and it's the same thing.

My caliper measurement on my ab dropped 3mm down recently and I hardly lost any weight. Yet my abs are coming in (although I have this cute bloated face ).

Im not saying to dismiss any statements when people lose weight, in fact, that's actually helpful since there is no other way to assess fat loss if they are not going to use calipers. Just don't take it as a fact of matter, or be the 'end all' of anything.

 

[MrQuestion]

Hauge, when it comes to diet with carbs, it really comes down to personal preference. On DNP, do you tend to run into low sugar problems? Switch to a higher, better quality carb choice. Do you want to feel more hot than what you already are? Then eat a high carb diet.

Personally, I like to balance things out and eat an ISO type diet, but more higher on the protein side and lower on the fat side if anything. With a moderate carb diet, I can still have my carbs without the heat and blood sugar problems.

Ive done all kidns of diets on DNP, it all comes down to calories for me.

 

[Hauge]

Again thx for the mass amount of info Mr.Question. I was thinking of doing a moderate carb diet, low fat, and high protein. As for the weight loss post ya did, its always nice to look at the scale and see your bodyweight drop but I dont really go by that scale. I go by the scale that reflects my body, the good old mirror. If i look good in the mirror than I have lost bodyfat. I should invest in a caliper but I seem to much rather look in the mirror. The mirror never lies, well unless you get thoses funny ass mirrors but besides that I dont find they do. Hopefully I will see a good difference in my body after this short cycle. Cant wait for it to come. I think in the next few days it will be here and I will beable to keep you all updated to my progress and how I am feeling. Thx for all the good and educational info from people who have personally used it, makes me feel more confident and more ready to go from listening to you guys and the way you guys have done it first hand.

 

[MrQuestion]

Hauge, first off..you are welcome. As much as an asshole I can be, I do like to help my fellow bros here (but do what's best for you, im far from being a guru or an 'expert' on this stuff)

And again, and im not 'anti-scale', since weight loss via scale 'tends' to be in tune with fat loss as well, and since DNP specifically targets loss of fat tissue moreso than muscle tissue when it comes to body composition (even though this shit affects any mitochondria throughtout the body. Boy, wouldn't it be neat if we can send some type of liposome laced with DNP to target fat cells directly, maybe that can be utilized in Lyle McD's plan killing fat cells . But my theory is science fiction at best)

My point for scales was that it shouldn't be the measurement of tool to dictate how much fat one has lost, especially when it comes time for DNP. THat means if you lost 20lbs with DNP by scale weight, that doesn't mean you lost 20lbs of fat EVEN if it was maintained. After a few carb ups, and perhaps gauging by strength in the gym (if strength doesn't diminish, and you still lost weight, that 'usually' means you lost plenty of fat/little to no muscle).

The mirror CAN be a good tool or a BAD tool depending on how you view it. THere are different types of reflections people get with mirrors due to ligthling, distance, gloss level, etc. Im sure some guru who specializes in mirror can fill us in with that knowledge. Any "Mirrorologists" around here?

If you can be honest in your assesment when you look at yourself in the mirror, and you use the same mirror over and over , then I could see how the mirror might be somewhat of a useful tool. FOr example, if there is a girl who probably has a low bodyfat percentage (has abs, legs are pretty lean) but views herself as a fat ass due to psychological treatment while growing up or whatever it may be, then using the mirror may not be her best option. Some dumb cocky bodybuilder (I promise you there are no shortage of them around ) who views themselves as a gift from God who really has a too high of bodyfat percentage may end up too fat for a contest due to ego.

If the mirror has worked for you and you can be honest, than go for it. I use the mirror, the scale and most importantly body fat calipers to check where I am at. My bathroom mirror tends to give me an accurate 'real world' reflection, unlike the ones found in many gyms.

So do remember that when you are on DNP, you will probably look 'worse' DURING the cycle. Why? SImply because your muscles have been depleted of glycogen and your skin is holding a shit load of water, which is a great way to make your body look shitty. It's exactly the complete opposite what a bodybuilder wants to look like when they step on stage.

On contest day: Very little water under skin, muscles full of carbs
On DNP cycle: Little muscle glycogen, TONS of water under skin.

So wait about a week after finishing DNP to lose the water under the skin and to bring back some glycogen into the muscles.

Also, depending on where your body fat is, you will get all kinds of weird appearances in the mirror. Well, at least for me that is.

When my bodyfat is around 15%, I see NO results during the cycle, and very little a week after I finish.

AT 12%, I see little results on DNP cycle and typical result when I finish.

When Im around 9-10%, I see plenty of results that it's almost inspiring in a "Rocky IV" kind of way. (which ever Rocky was fighting Dolph Lungdren). When I finish, I shit in my pants with happiness. Even though I bloat, I can see my abs coming through nicely.

So just a reminder there in case you are wondering. Best wishes and let us know how that DNP cycle goes!

 

[Hauge]

If you can be honest in your assesment when you look at yourself in the mirror, and you use the same mirror over and over , then I could see how the mirror might be somewhat of a useful tool. FOr example, if there is a girl who probably has a low bodyfat percentage (has abs, legs are pretty lean) but views herself as a fat ass due to psychological treatment while growing up or whatever it may be, then using the mirror may not be her best option.

This is so true. I know a girl that looks gorgeous with her body but than again she think she needs to get in shape and shit.I think she was a little overweight back in her day but I havent asked her yet due to I think its a sensitive subject. She is always like I have to run, oh no I missed a day, i have to get in shape for summer, im like FUCK!!! you look awesome and you are in shape for summer but I guess its all psychological. Well again, much thx for all your help and info, if everyone on these boards would put in the same energy you do to help out a bro than I think everyone on hthese boards would look the exact way they would want too. Again thx bro for all your help and will keep you posted of my results. Probably starting June 17th!!! Cant Wait!!!