Anavar only vs Anavar/TBol combo

[tk26]

Hey everyone, first post on here but I have been researching on this board for a few months and was looking for some advice.

To start some stats, I'm 24, 6', 205 lbs, bf is around 13%. In the past diet has been an issue of mine as I am an over eater but I have had lots of success improving it over the last year and will keep it spot on during this cycle. I will keep protein high throughout the day and carbs will be centered around breakfast, lunch and post workout. Training is a standard push/pull, legs with alternating reps/sets and exercises periocically.

I have been contemplating 2 cycle options:
1. Week 1-6, Anavar @ 70-80mg
2. Week 1-6, Anavar @ 50mg with Week 2-6 TBol @ 30-40mg

PCT would be nolva 40/20/20.

Both would be taken with creatine, multivitamin, omega, greens, r-ala, zma, liv52, milk thistle and tribulus. I will also be using epehedrine and caffeine prior to cardio and workouts for extra fat burning. I have elected to not use clen or t3 as they are expensive.

My goals are to get cut/lean out first and foremost, I would want to gain 10lbs at a max but 5 would be preferable with more fat loss as I wanna stay quick for sports like hockey and find at 215 I become slow. I do not want to inject. I know that cycle 1 is a pretty standard anavar cycle, the reason I am contemplating doing the second option is that it will offer me a little more size/mass gains, plus my research has also shown that people find TBol improves mood and libido so it could help improves really the only negatives from the anavar. Is there any substance to this thought? Any experience running this combo?

 

[dylangemelli]

i dont have any problem with you running tbol and anavar together and have seen people make some decent gain on that cycle... its nice and simple and to the point... the problem i have is your shitty pct you have setup... you also have no mention of support supps with your cycle... you need to run n2guard with this cycle... you also may want to run hcgenerate on cycle to help prevent some on cycle shutdown... no mention of an AI... you don't need anything hardcore on this cycle but i would have forma stanzol at the least... this is just a precaution that should always be taken whether its an estrogen converter or not...

PCT needs to be 4 weeks, not 3... low dose clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5... unleashed/post cycle combo... could also run forma stanzol... nolva is not a pct!

dosings look fine... if you do the stack, i would do anavar at 60 mg...

 

[blue_steel74]

i dont have any problem with you running tbol and anavar together and have seen people make some decent gain on that cycle... its nice and simple and to the point... the problem i have is your shitty pct you have setup... you also have no mention of support supps with your cycle... you need to run n2guard with this cycle... you also may want to run hcgenerate on cycle to help prevent some on cycle shutdown... no mention of an AI... you don't need anything hardcore on this cycle but i would have forma stanzol at the least... this is just a precaution that should always be taken whether its an estrogen converter or not...

PCT needs to be 4 weeks, not 3... low dose clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5... unleashed/post cycle combo... could also run forma stanzol... nolva is not a pct!

dosings look fine... if you do the stack, i would do anavar at 60 mg...

Nicely put

 

[tk26]

Thanks for the information! Where can I get n2guard as it seems to be sold out on n2bm. I will also look into the other 2 products you mentioned. Could nolva be subbed for the forma stanzol?

Can you clarify why nolva is no good for pct? And why you would choose clomid over it? I recall reading posts that nolva is a superior pct and anti estrogen than clomid, am I mistaken?

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for the information! Where can I get n2guard as it seems to be sold out on n2bm. I will also look into the other 2 products you mentioned. Could nolva be subbed for the forma stanzol?

Can you clarify why nolva is no good for pct? And why you would choose clomid over it? I recall reading posts that nolva is a superior pct and anti estrogen than clomid, am I mistaken?

n2guard will be back in stock before the end of the month... very soon...

there are a million threads on here about why nolva is shitty... i don't have the time to get into it right now but use the search button and you will find it... im not sure where you are getting the info on nolva being superior but if you use it, you will find out quickly just how wrong those statements are my friend... and i said clomid at a very low dose...

 

[All In a Year]

Anavar/Tbol would be an awesome stack.

I would bump up the Anavar to 60mg and maybe even the Tbol to 50mg or so.

Good job on choosing to protect your liver with Liv.52, and instead of milk thistle I would absolutely use n2guard on cycle with Liv.52. It has plenty of milk thistle in it and does many many other things. Helps protect you from high blood pressure, kidney protection, back pumps, lethargy, bad cholesterol, and many more.. Covers almost everything.

Def need to have an AI on hand... At least get formastanzol, it is a great on cycle AI.

Def run HCGenerate the whole cycle, will make recovery a lot easier.

Def get bloods done before and after because this cycle could be harsh on the liver.

As for pct.... Listen to Dylan... He knows his stuff. Nolva is absolute junk. You'll feel like shit on it... Kills your libido and can cause severe depression.

Use a low dose of clomid like 25mg... And use unleashed / forged post cycle, HCGenerate, forma. And pct should be atleast 4 weeks long

 

[GetBig1213]

No problem w the cycle, all I have to say is gooood luck! Haha

On anavar or Tbol alone w some test (never ran var along w Tbol) I can't move! Either one of them gets me so tight I feel like my skin is gonns burst open the first 15 minutes of my lift.

Other than that though you'll see some nice results.

 

[tk26]

Thanks for the input guys much appreciated, I will change from nolva to clomid. If price were similar for the var at 70 vs combo stack .. Which would you guys choose? I have both krealakyln and mono hydrate which would be recommended?

What is the rational behind using an AI with compounds that do not aromitize into estrogen? I was under the impression that they are not necessary.

 

[saudireturnsagainandagain]

u are 23...and u are thinking of taking anabolic androgenic steroids????!!!!!
all u need is to eat train sleep and pop a multi vitamin and than maybe some creatin.....if u take anabolic androgenic steroids now.....u will pay for it with a low test levels for the rest of your life......is that what u want?

 

[kkklick]

Thanks for the input guys much appreciated, I will change from nolva to clomid. If price were similar for the var at 70 vs combo stack .. Which would you guys choose? I have both krealakyln and mono hydrate which would be recommended?

What is the rational behind using an AI with compounds that do not aromitize into estrogen? I was under the impression that they are not necessary.

Probably a just in case, I don't know much about t-bol, but I've run anavar solo up to 80mg and have never had an issue with gyno

 

[blue_steel74]

u are 23...and u are thinking of taking anabolic androgenic steroids????!!!!!
all u need is to eat train sleep and pop a multi vitamin and than maybe some creatin.....if u take anabolic androgenic steroids now.....u will pay for it with a low test levels for the rest of your life......is that what u want?

This isnt necessarily true. If the proper pct is done the. His levels should be just fine

 

[All In a Year]

Thanks for the input guys much appreciated, I will change from nolva to clomid. If price were similar for the var at 70 vs combo stack .. Which would you guys choose? I have both krealakyln and mono hydrate which would be recommended?

What is the rational behind using an AI with compounds that do not aromitize into estrogen? I was under the impression that they are not necessary.

It's for safety reasons. Just have it on hand. If you start experiencing sides, you'll have something on hand to combat it with. Steroids can change your hormones in many ways, even if they aren't "aromatizing aas" it's possible they could still potentially increase estrogen. Better to be safe than sorry.

 

[All In a Year]

u are 23...and u are thinking of taking anabolic androgenic steroids????!!!!!
all u need is to eat train sleep and pop a multi vitamin and than maybe some creatin.....if u take anabolic androgenic steroids now.....u will pay for it with a low test levels for the rest of your life......is that what u want?

Shut up. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[rustilldown]

Tbol Anavar is a deadly stack, you seem to have a good head on your shoulders and will definitely make solid gains if you stick to diet training and the proper precautions are taken. Listen to the advice of the others, if anything just grab some arimidex for precautionary, measures, and formastanzol is a great option to run through the whole cycle if you ask me. Tbol is an excellent compound for athletes, Anavar... Not so much for me as it cripples my back but to each their own. Hc generate throughout the entire cycle and pct and your nuts should stay nice and plump along mood elevation.


Ride it like you stole it!!

 

[saudireturnsagainandagain]

Shut up. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I took everything....I know exactly what am talking about......

 

[All In a Year]

I took everything....I know exactly what am talking about......

You know nothing fucktard

 

[tk26]

Hey all, thanks again for the wealth of knowledge! Looks like I will be running the anavar week1-6, tbol week2-6 with hcgenerate, n2gaurd (waiting for them to restock) along with other misc support supps like multivitamin, rala, etc. Pct will be clomid and aromisin (chose this over arimidex due to it being easier on lipid values).

Since the smallest bootle of aromisin I can get is 80 tabs at 25mg and i will be buying it anyways would running it on cycle say eod the then ed during pct offer any benefits? On the plus side it will lower estrogen and from what I've read raise test levels, the only negative I can see is feeling crappy due to the lack of estrogen

Just a thought but would tbol only plus aromisin produce similar hardening and vasularity to that anavar?

 

[tk26]

Hey all, thanks again for the wealth of knowledge! Looks like I will be running the anavar week1-6, tbol week2-6 with hcgenerate, n2gaurd (waiting for them to restock) along with other misc support supps like multivitamin, rala, etc. Pct will be clomid and aromisin (chose this over arimidex due to it being easier on lipid values).

Since the smallest bootle of aromisin I can get is 80 tabs at 25mg and i will be buying it anyways would running it on cycle say eod the then ed during pct offer any benefits? On the plus side it will lower estrogen and from what I've read raise test levels, the only negative I can see is feeling crappy due to the lack of estrogen

Just a thought but would tbol only plus aromisin produce similar hardening and vasularity to that anavar?

 

[kkklick]

Hey all, thanks again for the wealth of knowledge! Looks like I will be running the anavar week1-6, tbol week2-6 with hcgenerate, n2gaurd (waiting for them to restock) along with other misc support supps like multivitamin, rala, etc. Pct will be clomid and aromisin (chose this over arimidex due to it being easier on lipid values).

Since the smallest bootle of aromisin I can get is 80 tabs at 25mg and i will be buying it anyways would running it on cycle say eod the then ed during pct offer any benefits? On the plus side it will lower estrogen and from what I've read raise test levels, the only negative I can see is feeling crappy due to the lack of estrogen

Just a thought but would tbol only plus aromisin produce similar hardening and vasularity to that anavar?

If you're getting n2guard you don't need to take another multivitamin, n2guard covers you from all angles

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey all, thanks again for the wealth of knowledge! Looks like I will be running the anavar week1-6, tbol week2-6 with hcgenerate, n2gaurd (waiting for them to restock) along with other misc support supps like multivitamin, rala, etc. Pct will be clomid and aromisin (chose this over arimidex due to it being easier on lipid values).

Since the smallest bootle of aromisin I can get is 80 tabs at 25mg and i will be buying it anyways would running it on cycle say eod the then ed during pct offer any benefits? On the plus side it will lower estrogen and from what I've read raise test levels, the only negative I can see is feeling crappy due to the lack of estrogen

Just a thought but would tbol only plus aromisin produce similar hardening and vasularity to that anavar?

you can get decent results on tbol alone but it will not produce similar hardening and vascularity as anavar will...

 

[Keith1]

To much to read but why don't u run the var at the beginning of ur cycle and have like 500mg of test week 1-12 and mabe end with Tbol

Lot more.solid of a cycle man

 

[dylangemelli]

To much to read but why don't u run the var at the beginning of ur cycle and have like 500mg of test week 1-12 and mabe end with Tbol

Lot more.solid of a cycle man

not to be a dick, but if your not willing to read what the op of threads is wanting, then don't give advice... he clearly said he didn't want to inject so thats why test is not being recommended...

 

[TravFlex91]

You know nothing fucktard

^^^ BOOOM truth right here.


"You mean there's more to life than being hard as fuck?"

 

[Keith1]

Then why do steroids if u wont inject. Might as well stay natty

 

[ismaele00]

Man, the idea of using Anavar + TBol, has something to do with hairloss?
I don't know if that's the reason but if it is, be carefull with anavar (Tbol is ok). People use to think that "Anavar doesn't interact with 5-alpha-reductase so it won't affect my hair" when in reality anavar doesn't interact with 5-alpha because it's already reduced.
So be careful bro.

PS: if this is not your problem, then... I've said nothing. lol

 

[dylangemelli]

Then why do steroids if u wont inject. Might as well stay natty

really well im not injecting on this cycle or my last cycle... should i stay natty?? 10 pound increase and 6% body fat in only three weeks... is there a problem with that??

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[dylangemelli]

really well im not injecting on this cycle or my last cycle... should i stay natty?? 10 pound increase and 6% body fat in only three weeks... is there a problem with that??

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[tk26]

Really? From what I've read I didn't think anavar was supposed to cause hairloss, I'm gonna keep an eye on that during my cycle.

Wow Dylan those are wicked results, how can you argue with that? That's exactly what I'm looking for.. An increase lean muscle mass while cutting fat and to me this was the best way to go about it.

To update you guys I ordered everything and will be starting next weekend! I'm gonna try and keep a log and update you on my results!

Any training programs on here I should check out?

 

[rangersleadtheway]

Dylan,great advce I would of told our buddy something smilar... i am guilty of just asking a ? without doing too much research(not that im lazy, just time restraint).
TK cant bust your balls on that. though you are young. no one here will succed in changing your mind about geting on. just start slow. NeedTo's products are pretty damn good. save your money until you have EVERYTHING you need in your arsenal. personally, tbol/var is awesome, low sides i would def throw in some test. i am talking out of both sides of my mouth. telling you to take it slow and than telling u to complete the objecive at all cost. dont mean to confuse you. maybe Dylan can answer if dermacrine would be helpful(i know u dont pin). along w/n2guard, forma, hcgenerate, and all the other essentials, get some taurine. take 5grams/day. along with nguard it will deter the low backpumps. lastly, not condoning (i dont know any sources, so dont ask) nor am i in your shoes, but clen/t3 "expensive"?? listen to the vets on EF and they will square you away.
ALL THE WAY