Orbit var is the strongest var I have ever used...I know at one point it was way overdosed, but the batch I got looking at the lot# was tested just a little overdosed. I am big into var only cycles and have had good results though you HAVE to do PCT after the cycle (nolva and clomid is my choice with Unleashed as a boost to the sex drive). I made the mistake to try and do just Unleashed and Post Cycle from Protein Factory about a year ago and lost most of my gains, that was from papervar. This past cycle I did Orbit at about 35mg's a day (I would open the caps and dump the contents in my mouth spliting one 25mg cap into 3 and then opening a 2nd and using about 10 mg for 4 total doses...yes a lot of maintenance, but that is just my preference)....I gained about 14 lbs and was hard as a rock...sleep and diet is key as well. I also used Cellmass by BSN but I have heard plain CEE is just as good. The problem with the last cycle I had of orbit var for 8 weeks was I got sick the 3rd day of PCT and couldn't eat and take anything for 4 days...all I lived off of was a couple of protein drinks and a little oatmeal...it was terrible and I lost 15 lbs total and only gained about 5 of it back...also, for the first time ever I couldn't even get my johnson hard...once I restarted PCT it took about 2-3 days to get that working again but I have never had that happen before so the gains I made with the var were voided out...Sucked big time, but what can you do.