i plan on using creatine @ 10g's ED.....as for the clen, i will consider using it. my current cycle runs 10 weeks, 800mg t200, 400mg deca, 100mg winny ED, and 4 weeks of dbol in weeks 1-4. i am using superclen and t3 in that cycle as well, to help shed off some fat i have currently. if i lose enough fat from this cycle, then i dont think i will use the clen, since im using anavar to bridge into a fina, masteron, eq cycle next.